A Vernier On A Levergun

[Sixgun]

Howdy Guncranks,
I don't believe this has been discussed before. Many of us have an exceptional accurate levergun or two that we like to use for long range shooting/playing/competing. I see guys at the gunclub and at matches complaining that their standard tang sights don't have enough elevation for blasting out to 4,5 or 600 meters. Sure, you can get an extra long stem on your Marbles, but it just ain't the same and that 6 inch skinny stem sticking up looks a little goofy.

Long range verniers are not just for single shots.

Well, I snagged this sight at a gunshow a few years back and she's good to a thousand meters and more. It has the standard Winchester base and she bolts right up. I have it mounted on my exceptionally accurate heavy barreled 1886 in 40-65. She was made back in '93.

This sight is mounted near the back of the base and that will be needed for an '86 or a '95 with the long bolt throw. Others are made with the "stem" near the middle and that will work great on one of your 1894's or even a 336 Marlin. The boys at Buffalo Arms can give great advice as to your needs ------------Sixgun

[Marc]

Here's another one. I have to fold it down to open the bolt but that isn't a problem for range work.

[Sixgun]

Marc,
Nice looking '95. What caliber is she in? Also, do you use the sight for long-long range?------Sixgun

[2X22]

Sixgun, I have an '86 in 45-90 made in 1891 with a Venier tang that looks just about 'zackly like yours!

2x22

[jnyork]

Friend of mine is a competitor at the state and national level at lever action silhouette, she uses a vernier sight on all three of her rifles. You will need to get up danged early in the morning to get ahead of her when shooting steel.

[Sixgun]

Hey, this is fun and something we can all learn from. 2X22, Lets see a pic of that '86!----------------Sixgun

[Marc]

Sixgun,
It is a 30US. 30-40 to the uninitiated. I have shot it to 500 meters just dinking around on the silhouette range. The RCBS-30-180-FN shoots good in it. Round nose jacketed bullets also group well. I am waiting on a Lyman 311284 copy and then I am going to shoot 500 meter silhouette with it. It needs a trigger job though.

[Blaine]

The Marbles Tanger I put on the 1895CB is reckoned to be good to about 900 yds. I have not done so, however.

[Sixgun]

Sixgun,
It is a 30US. 30-40 to the uninitiated. I have shot it to 500 meters just dinking around on the silhouette range. The RCBS-30-180-FN shoots good in it. Round nose jacketed bullets also group well. I am waiting on a Lyman 311284 copy and then I am going to shoot 500 meter silhouette with it. It needs a trigger job though.

The Lyman 311284 is what I use in my 95's in 30-40. That bullet was designed to be optimal at 1600 fps. Its a joke to hit the 500 meter ram (off the bags of course ) 23 grains of 5744 does the trick with the bullet sized to .312---yea, those 95's in 30-40 have fat barrel dimensions.

[J Miller]

Something I've always wondered about, when you run the aperture way up on the sight, how do keep a cheek weld on the stock? Or do you?

Joe

[Sixgun]

Something I've always wondered about, when you run the aperture way up on the sight, how do keep a cheek weld on the stock? Or do you?

Joe

Joe, yea, you still can but less of it. I find myself putting my face farther back (towards the buttplate).. Its much easier with my Hi-Wall or other single shots because of the higher comb.-----Sixgun

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

The other benifit to using veniers and soule's is they are repeatable.

I shoot this 50 cal TC ML with this mid range venier and Lymon 17 globe front. I use sabot-ed 44 cal 240's out to 300 yards, no problem.

[Don McDowell]

Something I've always wondered about, when you run the aperture way up on the sight, how do keep a cheek weld on the stock? Or do you?

Joe

Joe alot depends on how high the front sight is. The higher the front sight the less likely you'll be able to keep a good "cheek" weld. Sometimes it turns into a chin weld. The most important thing is to keep your eye the same distance from the eyepiece each time to keep your shots repeatable. If you vary that eye relief you'll vary the poi of the shot.
Some folks use strap on comb pieces to be able to keep the good cheek weld.
Loads can vary things alot. That's one of the great benefits I've found running patched bullets, it takes something along the lines of 10-15 less minutes of elevation to reach the same target as a naked bullet.
Good solid sights with no slop in the elevator staff, either fore and aft or side to side are very important to staying on target at the extended ranges beyond 4-500 yds.

[J Miller]

Sixgun, Don,

Thanks that makes a lot of sense.

Nate,

That's a really nice looking rifle. But that 50BMG round through the trigger guard just .... well it just ain't right.

Joe

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

Sixgun, Don,

Thanks that makes a lot of sense.

Nate,

That's a really nice looking rifle. But that 50BMG round through the trigger guard just .... well it just ain't right.

Joe

but it's a 50 cal gun!!!!

[Cimarron Red]

I have MVA vernier sights on both a Winchester/Miroku 1892 and a Browning/Miroku 1886 as well as several single-shot rifles. The 92 wears the Schuetzen (model 104) soule type and the 86 has a model 130, Sharps style. The accuracy and repeatability of these sights is second to none, and this sure beats counting turns on hunting-tyoe tang sights. Here are a few pics:

[RIHMFIRE]

very nice rigs guys.....
long range shooting is tons of fun!

[Sixgun]

Hey Reds,
I sure know that 86 of yours! It whooped me many a time.-------------Sixgun

BTW, I'll be out later in the month to get that 7 special order optioned 1894 of yours!

[Marc]

The staff on mine is about an inch taller than it needs to be. It is a Pedersoli sight that I paid $72.00 for in a Cabela's bargain cave. Wasn't going to argue about staff height! I just grabbed my wallet and payed before they had a chance to change their mind! The precise adjustments are sure nice.

My 1895 likes .311" bullets. That's nice too because that is my standard diameter for my 30-30's.

[Cimarron Red]

Sixgun,

I carved your name into the buttstock (under the butt plate) of that Browning '86 just to bring me good luck at the silhouette matches! ;>)

Thanks for the heads-up about your coming to Colorado to snag my Winchester 1894; I need to hide that puppy.

On the tang sights, I have MVA bases on several other rifles so I can move the sight staffs around as needed. That's a nice feature of the MVA's and other makes of vernier sight.

Reading a sight setting from an engraved scale is much easier and far less mistake-prone than counting turns on a hunting sight. Ask me how I know!

[Ysabel Kid]

I read through all these posts and then realized I was sitting in a pool of drool!

[Cimarron Red]

YK,

Careful of that drool; it'll rust your sight!

[Sixgun]

I read through all these posts and then realized I was sitting in a pool of drool!

Kid,
Your the one with the major bucks around here. The rest of us are just hourly peons. We all know you have a huge stash of C-notes hidden away in your casting cabinet........so..................wanna trade?? -----------Me