POLITICS - what issues are important to you

Scott Young · Post by **Scott Young** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:09 pm

please try and post your preferences with out condemning others. so don't argue just state your preferences.

here are my top three. yes they can be called a litmus test. i won't look at a candidate unless they have these three.

1. prolife
1. profamily
1. pro 2nd admenment

the others are important, but not really litmus level

1. fair tax
2. constitutionalist
3. tough on illegal aliens
4. close the border
5. hawk
6. remove blanket national standards of education and place education back in the control of parents
7. anti affirmative action
8. open the public lands back up for hunting and open the road systems.
9. allow logging of federal lands to help the economy, to manage the resources, and to prevent wide spread wildfires.
10. to wean ourselves off of foreign oil and to cease lowering out standards and handicapping ourselves at the world's latest whim.

i could go on, but i will stop here.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:19 pm

1. pro-gun
2. pro-gun
3. pro-gun
4. pro-fair-tax
5. federalist/constitutionalist

Jason_W · Post by **Jason_W** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:22 pm

1. The Constitution

as far as I'm concerned, protecting and upholding that should be the government's only role.

Cherokee · Post by **Cherokee** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:25 pm

Well Scott, I think you have a fine list. I might change the order of a few but I like them. I'm not sure we will have an opportunity to vote for anyone that shares even the first 3, much less the rest.

Old Time Hunter · Post by **Old Time Hunter** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:26 pm

AJMD429, pretty much says it all.

Geez....pretty much states Ron Paul's platform...hmmm.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:43 pm

What are my preferences?

Simple, The Constitution.

If it's Constitutional it's OK, if it's not Constitutional, it's not OK.

Any candidate who does not adhere to the Constitution needs to go back home an get a job.
Any politician who does not adhere to the Constitution needs to be arrested and punished and banned from any public office for the rest of life.

That might be a bit simplistic, but that's my thinking on it.

Joe

Rebel1972 · Post by **Rebel1972** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:59 pm

Old Time Hunter wrote:AJMD429, pretty much says it all.

Geez....pretty much states Ron Paul's platform...hmmm.

+1

brucew44guns · Post by **brucew44guns** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:00 pm

I think one big problem I have always had in the past, is believing that the bottom line in every candidate's mind, was that he or she loved their country, the Constitution, the freedoms of this country, and that they wanted very much to make it a good place for all of us to succeed in. But reality is different. The Clintons never seemed to respect our Constitution. And which politicians are there who work at PRO-LIFE?. What elected people of any rank ever really speak up for the 2nd Ammendment? Which politician rants and raves that we need some conservative spending in Govt?. It looks to me like no politician wants the American way of life taught in our schools so our kids might be patriotic to America. The politicians have left our borders open to millions of undesirables. The Global Warming One Worlders, pinko liberals, the Janet Reno's and Schumers, the rot of the Clintons, have just about used me up. Quite frankly, I'm not very excited that I can go exercise my one vote, and I hate it that I feel that way. Thank goodness for you guys. Bruce

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:05 pm

I agree with just about everything that been said. And I've been told I'm living a pipedream. Staunch Christians around me will vote their pocket book before voting for their morals. Its mainly older folks who say their are tired of paying for high gas, taxes, etc..but state openly that they don't believe in abortion, gay marriage, etc...but voted for Hillary anyway. Its a thought process I can't understand. And don't want to. Hillary won Arkansas because of such thinking. I hear it all around me.

We're in for some sad times gentlemen.

From Republic to Socialism.

Johnny

Rebel1972 · Post by **Rebel1972** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:14 pm

I have a friend who's dad is as conservative as anyone here,But absolutley will not vote anything but Dem.because as he put it "my daddy would turn over in his grave".How's that for reason and logic.

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:39 pm

I'm a Constitutionalist, also - with the Second Amemendment a priority.

IMHO, Everything else is a media/political smokescreen that dilutes the strength of our vote(s).

Noah Zark · Post by **Noah Zark** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:39 pm

1) God
2) Family & friends
3) Job

Politico-economic issues:

a) Economy and exportation of manufacturing jobs
b) Health care costs
c) Energy costs
d) Illegal immigration and lack of control of borders
e) Paramilitarization of municipal police
f) Ineffective bi-partisan federal and state legislatures that are completely out of touch with the people they represent.
g) The trend of government agencies to do something "because they can" without regard to legality (Incl. 2A here)
h) Lack of US foreign policy, and the current "Imperial USA" perception in the world
i) SS, welfare, WC, and insurance fraud -- just how many people really NEED personal mobility scooters? Why does an apparently able-bodied man carrying multiple bags of groceries get into a pickup with a blue hang tag parked in a handicapped spot? These are tangible examples of the entitlement mindset and lack of personal responsibility in the US right now. Ambulance chaser commercials exhorting that they will "Get the $$$ YOU deserve!" Thirty-five yr old guys "disabled" with "bad backs" that drive 90 mins one way nearly every day to play the slots at the reservation casino . . . don't get me started. All of this costs $$$ that come out of our pockets in the form of higher taxes and insurance premiums.

Noah

Charles · Post by **Charles** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:17 pm

Your list is pretty good with a couple of exceptions.

YOur 3 & 4 are pretty much non-issues with me.

I live in a state with very little public land, so I don't have enough experience and knowledge on your 8 & 9 to have a informed opinion.

I don't have a pet solution, but I am concerned about health care in this country... particularily as it applys to Seniors. The cost is so high that insurance is devastating folks on a fixed income. The lower economic folks get it free at goverment expense, the rich can pay the premiums, but the middle class get hit in the gut.

cubrock · Post by **cubrock** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:30 pm

Everyone here who says they are pro-Constitution should consider that over 90% of what the Federal government does is unconstitutional. Yet, we continue to send "conservatives" to Washington who increase the scope and power of the federal government.

Pro-Constitution does, indeed, mean pro-gun. That is NO gun control. No NFA. No GCA. No background checks. No BATF. No Form 4473.

Pro-Constitution does, indeed, mean pro-life if you believe that a fetus is a human life. I do. Maybe you don't - I won't argue the point with you.

Pro-Constitution does mean tight border control. The federal government's primary role is protecting the citizenry from foreign threats. They sure aren't doing this well.

Pro-Constitution means no FEDERAL Social Security, Medicare, welfare, HUD, Dept of Agriculture, subsidies, corporate welfare, pell grants, etc. These things are not enumerated as rights of the federal government and are, thus, reserved for the several states.

We have only one candidate for president who even came close to upholding the Constitution. Of course, so many believe he is not electable. Others want to say they are pro-Constitution, but don't want to give up what Uncle Sam does for them.

I'm not meaning to pick a fight or denigrate anyone's positions on these issues. I'm simply saying that if we truly are pro-Constitution, let's start VOTING like it!

crs · Post by **crs** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:39 pm

Scott, thank you for the list. It is something that all citizens should create for themselves.

Cubrock - WELL SAID !

bsaride · Post by **bsaride** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:47 pm

Simple:

1. Must have the character and backbone to be comander-in-chief.
all other duties are shoved at him by congress.

2. Must support the Constitution and all it stands for. When they take
our 2nd amendment away how far behind will the rest be?

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:42 pm

Rebel1972 wrote:I have a friend who's dad is as conservative as anyone here,But absolutley will not vote anything but Dem.because as he put it "my daddy would turn over in his grave".How's that for reason and logic.

I hear those same kind of statements too. Today I heard from a older lady (early 60's) that she voted for Hillary. She turned around and then told me she doesn't support the death penalty. I ask her about her stance on abortion and she said no she don't support that either.

bunklocoempire · Post by **bunklocoempire** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:22 pm

I hate to call it an issue, because it's my soldiers (they work for me, and you/Constitution). And they are dying on my/our behalf for the policies/strategies we set for them. I wish it was everyones #1.

#2 2nd Ammendment

#3 Taxes/Federal Reserve

To sum up, our Constitution, Bill of Rights, advice from our founding fathers. Water down any of them and your asking for trouble.

Bunkloco

Bullard4075 · Post by **Bullard4075** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:04 pm

I've been living in a closet, shielded from the world.
Google my all knowing, powerful mentor and friend is no help.

What is AJMD429 ??

Scott Young · Post by **Scott Young** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:12 pm

i should have added the first section of the list is non debatable. the second section is in no particular order of priorities. it is just thoughts i have put down. i quit when i had to say to myself what else. i was hoping to see how the issues played a role in a person here on leverguns.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:16 pm

The entire Bill of Rights must be defended.

USA and her military must be large and strong.

Health Care MUST be made affordable. No one or any family should lose their homes/savings over health care.

Lock the door on the IRS and have a fair consumption tax; Tap the underground/drug economy and get trillions more than we are now.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:46 pm

Bullard4075 wrote:I've been living in a closet, shielded from the world.
Google my all knowing, powerful mentor and friend is no help.

What is AJMD429 ??

My initials, occupation, and favorite bore diameter

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:55 pm

pro life
pro gun
pro constitution
pro military
pro tougher imigration enforcement
pro small govt
pro tax cut
pro individual responsibility for retirement
anti UN
pro fixed income tax, anti IRS

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:16 am

cubrock wrote:Everyone here who says they are pro-Constitution should consider that over 90% of what the Federal government does is unconstitutional. Yet, we continue to send "conservatives" to Washington who increase the scope and power of the federal government.

Pro-Constitution does, indeed, mean pro-gun. That is NO gun control. No NFA. No GCA. No background checks. No BATF. No Form 4473.

Pro-Constitution does, indeed, mean pro-life if you believe that a fetus is a human life. I do. Maybe you don't - I won't argue the point with you.

Pro-Constitution does mean tight border control. The federal government's primary role is protecting the citizenry from foreign threats. They sure aren't doing this well.

Pro-Constitution means no FEDERAL Social Security, Medicare, welfare, HUD, Dept of Agriculture, subsidies, corporate welfare, pell grants, etc. These things are not enumerated as rights of the federal government and are, thus, reserved for the several states.

We have only one candidate for president who even came close to upholding the Constitution. Of course, so many believe he is not electable. Others want to say they are pro-Constitution, but don't want to give up what Uncle Sam does for them.

I'm not meaning to pick a fight or denigrate anyone's positions on these issues. I'm simply saying that if we truly are pro-Constitution, let's start VOTING like it!

All sounds good to me.

Lots of important issues, but all summed up to limiting the scope of the Federal Government to it's Constitutional duties - and no more. Rolling back 70 years of socialism. Staying the heck out of individual's business. Low taxes (in line with the above). Pro-gun, pro-life, pro-family all goes with this.

Just remember though, "politics is a choice among the options that are actually on the table.â€

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:43 am

I don't need anyone to tell me how to live my life or how to raise my family, government has no authority to dictate such things to me, no matter which political party you happen to favor.

If you want to kill your babies or raise them to worship satan it's none of my business, just like nothing that goes on in my house is none of yours. Just keep it out of my face.

1. Support and Defend the U.S. Constitution, and the Republic created thereby. As it is written.
2. Protect Civil Rights - It is the purpose of government to protect these rights, not to dictate them.
3. National Defense - Protect our borders, our People, and our way of life from enemies foreign and domestic. Border Defense and Immigration Control IS national defense, every bit as much as is defending economic interests abroad.
4. Infrastructure - roads and utilites are crumbling all across the nation.
5. Tax Reform - the government is taking too much money out of our pockets for what it returns in service. Too much pork. Too many entitlements.

That's the short list.

BAGTIC · Post by **BAGTIC** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:37 pm

Government's primary responsibilities are to...

1. protect and defend the rights of the people

2. provide for the general defense

3. establish laws to settle disputes

Once government has done that I want minimal interference. Government should be proscriptive, not prescrtive.

tman · Post by **tman** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:06 pm

+2 for what F.WIENDNER posted. god and family come first, in my private life. don't need the government to regulate those for me.

wm · Post by wm » Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:43 pm

freedom and personal responsibilty......you can't have one without the other.

The government should not be in buisness of rescuing people from their own stupidity. Buy more house than you can afford and get a risky mortgage deal betting interest rates will not climb in the next 15 or 30 years is stupid. Why should my tax money go to saving someone from being stupid?

The government is mandated to offer a quality, free education to every youngster from 5 to 18. Act stupid, throw this opportunity away with both hands, ruin the classroom setting for kids interested in bettering themselves and then turn to government and say take care of my needs? Fugghadaboutit !

Come to this country illegally and then apply for welfare....that is stupid

Instead of giving money to all these folks who have done nothing but take how about we give the VA the funding it deserves!?! How about we establish a set aside program for returning veterans!?!

Wm

POLITICS - what issues are important to you

POLITICS - what issues are important to you

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