First Post: Cimarron 1892 in .45 LC?

[bapak2ja]

First post on the forum. I have a chance to buy a safe queen Cimarron 1892 in .45 LC for $550. It is four years old with less than 200 rounds through it. Three questions:

1. Is this rifle worth the price?
2. Is the .45LC readily available?
3. Would I be wiser to wait for a good deal on .44 magnum or .357?

Thanks for you input.

[Nate C.]

1. Buy it!
2. More or less!
3. Might as well buy it now. Odds are you will end up with one of each if you hang around here very long.

[RIHMFIRE]

buy it...thats a steal....of a bargin
new they are around 900+
45 LC is easy to find....through the internet....Bass pro...and better gun shops...etc
reload...its much cheaper
you are not going to find a better deal.....so dont wait...
and when you buy that you will get this decease call leveritis
and want the 44 & 357 too!

[Borregos]

What they said

A warm welcome to you as well, you will enjoy it here

[WyrTwister]

First post on the forum. I have a chance to buy a safe queen Cimarron 1892 in .45 LC for $550. It is four years old with less than 200 rounds through it. Three questions:

1. Is this rifle worth the price?
2. Is the .45LC readily available?
3. Would I be wiser to wait for a good deal on .44 magnum or .357?

Thanks for you input.

I gave around $ 425 for my .45 LC & .357 Mag Rossi M92 clones . I love them .

Ammo availability , have no idea , I have never bought any factory .45 LC and have not bought .357 Mag ammo in 20 - 30 years . I reload with home cast bullets .

.44 Mag or .357 Mag ? Or .45 LC ? Depends onwhat you want to do with the rifle .

God bless
Wyr

[Old Savage]

357 is a lot cheaper and more available it you don't reload - I would say think of your purpose. I got the 45 Colt because that particular rifle was a great example. Last test put 2 rounds 5/8" apart at 50 yds but mine needs bullets that are on the large side.

[olyinaz]

That's a very good price, no doubt about it.

Oly

[Lassiter]

If you don't want it.....I'll buy it.

[rangerider7]

Good price but make sure the magazine tube is tight. Cimarron has had problems with the quality of their 92s. Make sure you check it out fully.

[COSteve]

Good price but make sure the magazine tube is tight. Cimarron has had problems with the quality of their 92s. Make sure you check it out fully.

Yep, and make sure to check it for feeding issues. Cycle it fast and cycle slowly and make sure the ammo feeds without issues.

[AJMD429]

1. Buy it!
2. More or less!
3. Might as well buy it now. Odds are you will end up with one of each if you hang around here very long.

+1 on all three of those...

buy it...thats a steal....of a bargin
new they are around 900+

Yep.


Even if the gun was found to have some broken part or something an unethical seller 'hid', there's not much couldn't be fixed cheaply enough to make that STILL a good deal.


.45 LC is probably the single BEST caliber for a levergun, heavy cast/subsonic bullets can be used cheaply and quietly and a companion revolver in .45 LC can be 'loaded for bear' or plinking. .44 Mag and .357 Mag are good too, though.

[Griff]

Price is reasonably low. However, Cimarron is only an importer. IIRC, They imported from 2 manufacturers, Armi San Marco and Armi Sport/Chiappi. Not sure exactly when they switched... but maybe Nate Kiowa Jones will chime in. Both have their issues, same as Rossi. If you're buying FTF shoot it. That'll tell you far, far more than anything else.

IMO, 45Colt is more versatile than 44Mag. And in a modern '92 can approach the 44s ballistics, for the reloader. Which you NEED to do to get the most outta the 44.

It also has one other important advanntage, in that like other leverguns the '92 is COL and bullet shape sensitive... but, unlike the .357 & .44 magnum versions it doesn'ty have to attempt to feed the much shorter "Special" versions.

and Welcome to THE Forum! And don't fergit to post pictures of yer new gun!

[bapak2ja]

Thanks for all the advice!

[Ysabel Kid]

Nothing to add over what's already been said except another "welcome to the fire!"

[bapak2ja]

Bummer. It sold before I could get back to the owner.

[kimwcook]

On gun deals you snooze you lose. Keep looking and you'll find something out there. Welcome to the forum.

[J Miller]

This is the way it should work:

A: You see a gun you want.
B: You buy said gun.
C: You post with pics bragging about your new gun.
D: We all ooh and ah over it and congratulate you on your new acquisition, then we tell you we want a range report also with pics.

That's how it should work.

Joe

[pricedo]

Never owned a Chiappa though I have a Chiappa Mares Leg Takedown in .44 Mag on order.
For that kind of money (over $1500) there shouldn't be any issues & it should look good enough to kiss, hug & become "intimate" with.
Will jury rig a removable/folding prosthetic stock extender that will fit on the useless stump of a Mare's Leg stock should I desire to fire the gun.
Like the idea of a rifle where you can stash both halves + my stock extender INCONSPICUOUSLY in a business sized briefcase or hikers/fishing pack & have a rifle "around" during the hunting off-season without the whole world having to know about it & listening to their stupid questions & comments (Why yah gotta gun for?").
I also own Rossi 92 16" carbines in .357 Mag & 44 Mag as well as a Rossi 92 20" .454 Casull as well as a Ruger 96/44 & a Browning BLR Takedown in .308 Win.
Love those lever guns.......each & every one.

[DPris]

If you should chance to be seen in the US by the wrong people with a stock extender in place to render it a shoulder-fired weapon, you may face severe penalties of the incarceration & financial variety.

Besides the which, if ATF starts to see enough of this, they'll kill off the whole non-Class III mare's leg "pistol" concept for the rest of us.

Denis

[pricedo]

If you should chance to be seen in the US by the wrong people with a stock extender in place to render it a shoulder-fired weapon, you may face severe penalties of the incarceration & financial variety.

Besides the which, if ATF starts to see enough of this, they'll kill off the whole non-Class III mare's leg "pistol" concept for the rest of us.

Denis

The Mare's Leg "extender" hasn't happened yet & won't.
Philadelphia lawyer I ain't so I just wanted to throw that idea "out there" to see what kind of feedback ensued.
I'm surprised BATFE hasn't already nixed the "non NFA3 pistol" concept.
Thought A/G Holder & ilk would be all over that one like a kitty cat in a dog kennel by now.

[bapak2ja]

I got distracted and neglected this forum far two long. I did not get the Cimarron. As indicated in an earlier post, I experienced the "snooze and lose" syndrome.

I purchased an 1894C Marlin in .357mag. I have not had a chance to take out for deer but I have had a good time learning to shoot at local ranges.

I had such a good time with it I started looking for a marlin 39A Mountie to go with it. Found what I thought was a great buy from a guy in Indianapolis. Since I was still uncertain about it, I asked folks on marlinowners.com for advice on the model and price. While I was online, another marlinowner.com member posted the link to the one I ask considering. By the end of the day, a marlinowner.com member had it locked up. No class over there.

Having learned my lesson, I kept searching for another Mountie; but all offered on the internet were almost twice the price of the one that got away. I am stubborn old cuss at times, so I just decided I was not going to spend that much for something I could have had for half that price. Still, I wanted a .22 that would handle all sizes of .22 (except the magnums) like the Mountie.

Further research led me to the Winchester 9422. Great reviews were consistent online. The best recommendations pointed to getting one pre-1976, without the stock checkering. Consistent opinion was that the changes made inside the receiver to accommodate the cross bolt safety weakened the design. So I continued to watch the various gun fora until I found a nice 9422 near South Bend, Indiana. I did not ask questions about it on other fora this time.

Since I was in Mindanao when I found it, I waited until I was only a week away from returning to Hoosier land to contact the seller. We set it up so my wife and I stopped by the seller's place on the drive from ORD to FWA. Seller was a great guy. Rifle was exactly as described. Clean, well maintained, 98% bluing, no significant scratches on the wood. Beautiful rifle! It was a done deal!

The following morning, last Wednesday, my brother, a military lifer who could shoot the eyes out of a chipmunk from 50 yds, and I took it to the range to check it out. I learned several things.

First, age has caught up with my brother. For the first time in our lives I actually out shot him!

Second, the 9422 is a sweet and accurate rifle! It sot where it was pointed—even with the cheap Remington Golden bulk ammo. The action was smooth beyond belief! I was used to the factory action on my Marlin 1894C. I often wondered what folks meant when they said an action was "gritty," but I had nothing with which to compare my Marlin. So I thought it was fine. Now, I know better.

Third, I need to get that Marlin action smoothed out. Now that I have used the 9422, that Marlin just won't cut it anymore! Time to hit the gunsmith books and the internet sites to discover what needs to be done to slick up the action.

Fourth, even a slick 9422 needs a firm hand on the lever when loading the next round. I had three FTEs. Each was easily removed, no problem; but I was concerned about why it happened. Brother advised me to "be assertive" with the lever action. Once I concentrated on a firm hand on the lever, it worked perfectly. Great rifle!

Here are some photo of the new, to me, 9422.

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[Tycer]

Outstanding!

[AJMD429]

Lots of good info on her and MarlinOwners about slicking up leverguns.

Just go slow - no rush, and material filed off is hard to put back on.

Don't miss the articles here - off the 'Main Page - http://leverguns.com/' (which we often bypass to go straight to the forum):

• Lots of good readin' here ---> http://leverguns.com/articles/Default.htm

[J Miller]

bapak2ja,

Glad you got yourself a good .22 rifle.

A little FYI:
The 9422's were NEVER modified for a cross bolt safety, or any safety of any kind. They retained the original half cock safety action from introduction till they were discontinued in 2005. Where this CB safety misinformation came from I have no idea.

The checkering is a love it or not thing, it didn't affect the quality of the rifle. But I don't like it either.

The Win 9422 can develop ejection problems if the bolt gets dirty and crudded up around the ejector and extractors. The extractors hold the case till the ejector boots it out. If they get dirty enough they can't grip the rim, you'll have a bit of trouble. I disassemble mine every time I'm finished shooting it. I make sure the bolt and the inside of the action is clean.

Marlin 39s were modified for the CB safety, but NOT the Win 9422.



As for getting your Marlin 357 smoothed up to match the 9422, forget it. You're comparing apples to bananas. The Marlin will smooth itself out in due time. Taking it apart and cleaning and removing any burrs you find is really all it needs.

Joe

[ollogger]

Welcome back & you have a fine looking Winchester!!


ollogger

[gamekeeper]

Welcome back, you made a good choice, I've had three 9422s two in .22 WRM and one .22 LR which I still have, I used to have a Mountie but never really got on with it, I found the 9422 to be a better rifle all round, I can cycle mine slow, fast or upside down and it works fine, it is early 70s production and I picked it up real cheap due to its neglected condition.
As Joe said, keep 'em clean.

[Nath]

9422, excellent choice sir. The bullet lube gets everywhere and fouls the extractor. Also lube and powder residue can make the chamber sticky.
The bolt assembly comes put easy and a good wash with WD40 on a clean rag does wonders.

N.

[bapak2ja]

bapak2ja,

Glad you got yourself a good .22 rifle.

A little FYI:
The 9422's were NEVER modified for a cross bolt safety, or any safety of any kind. They retained the original half cock safety action from introduction till they were discontinued in 2005. Where this CB safety misinformation came from I have no idea.

Just my erroneous assumption. Thanks for the clarification!

The checkering is a love it or not thing, it didn't affect the quality of the rifle. But I don't like it either.

The Win 9422 can develop ejection problems if the bolt gets dirty and crudded up around the ejector and extractors. The extractors hold the case till the ejector boots it out. If they get dirty enough they can't grip the rim, you'll have a bit of trouble. I disassemble mine every time I'm finished shooting it. I make sure the bolt and the inside of the action is clean.

Again, thanks. I will pay attention to this in future.

Marlin 39s were modified for the CB safety, but NOT the Win 9422.

As for getting your Marlin 357 smoothed up to match the 9422, forget it. You're comparing apples to bananas. The Marlin will smooth itself out in due time. Taking it apart and cleaning and removing any burrs you find is really all it needs.

Appreciate the input!

Joe

[bapak2ja]

9422, excellent choice sir. The bullet lube gets everywhere and fouls the extractor. Also lube and powder residue can make the chamber sticky.
The bolt assembly comes put easy and a good wash with WD40 on a clean rag does wonders.

N.

Good to know!

[Griff]

Welcome back & you have a fine looking Winchester!!
ollogger

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