30-30 Crayola Cat Sneeze

[MacEntyre]

I read somewhere on Leverguns.com that crayons are sized .308, and that they work well in cat sneeze loads. So, I cut one the same length as a 150 grain LRN, and loaded a primed cartridge up with 1.5 grains of H110. I seated the dark blue bullet by hand.

I tried it in the shop using a piece of 3/4" plywood as a target. From 12' away, it hit so hard that several pieces bounced right back at me! It was pretty quiet, but I could probably do with just one grain of H110.

The bore is now waxed up, so it no longer shines.

These will be fun!

- MacEntyre

[Rimfire McNutjob]

If they're from China, you can probably take comfort in the fact they they're chocked full of Lead based pigments and that you're therefore not contributing to the "Lead Free" mania being pushed on us by some makers. Push on. Very Interesting, though a crayon seems a tad brittle to me.

[L_Kilkenny]

Interesting, I had never heard that. I have heard of people using hot glue bullets with nothing more than a primer but had never thought to replace that with a crayon. You might try zero powder and see what that does.Thinkin I may have to try it in my .32H&R.

LK

[Rusty]

Since a crayon is mostly wax wouldn't a piece in canning wax do just as good for less $?

Enlarge the flash hole and just use the primer, just make sure you never use the cases for standard loads after you enlarge the flash hole.

[gamekeeper]

Guess who's going to be buying crayons tomorrow?

[2571]

Do not use burnt umber in a .30-30. :>)

[stew71]

Are spitzer crayons just as unsafe in a tube magazine as spitzer bullets?

[MacEntyre]

You might try zero powder and see what that does.Thinkin I may have to try it in my .32H&R.

I'm pretty sure primer only will work... but I want to kill squirrels!

I'll use crayola cat sneezes for all my .308 and .311 cartridges! Can't wait to try it in my 32-20 rifle and revolver.

Since a crayon is mostly wax wouldn't a piece in canning wax do just as good for less $?

My crayons were free... a couple hundred were given to me by my daughter. I use canning wax for canning.

Enlarge the flash hole and just use the primer, just make sure you never use the cases for standard loads after you enlarge the flash hole.

I doubt it's necessary, because the wax goes out the barrel pretty easy.

Are spitzer crayons just as unsafe in a tube magazine as spitzer bullets?

Ha-ha! They are safe, but you can't crimp them much, and I don't know if the bullets will become seated too deeply. I use them single shot.

[model55]

How about a .32 round ball.Tried it in 303 with a shotgun primer once, keyword once ,because my bit was too big and the primer didn't seal that little RB never left the barrel on it's own. Wasn't a problem as I had my cleaning rod with me but never tried it again.

[MacEntyre]

How about a .32 round ball...?

I've used .311 round ball for 30-30, 300 Sav and 30-06 cat sneezes. It takes at least 1.5 grains of powder per 47 grain ball to get them out the barrel.

That's what I use for real serious killer cat sneezes!

[1894c]

what a great idea...you could color code them too...never mind not sure what to do with forest green or topaz... :)

[Hobie]

I read somewhere on Leverguns.com that crayons are sized .308, and that they work well in cat sneeze loads. So, I cut one the same length as a 150 grain LRN, and loaded a primed cartridge up with 1.5 grains of H110. I seated the dark blue bullet by hand.

I tried it in the shop using a piece of 3/4" plywood as a target. From 12' away, it hit so hard that several pieces bounced right back at me! It was pretty quiet, but I could probably do with just one grain of H110.

The bore is now waxed up, so it no longer shines.

These will be fun!

- MacEntyre

I might use any number of powders but I wouldn't use H110/W296 for that application.

[MacEntyre]

I might use any number of powders but I wouldn't use H110/W296 for that application.

Good point, thanks!

I have some 231, and 4759. Rather than measuring tiny weights of powder below 1 grain, I should switch powder.

- MacEntyre

P.S. ...searched and could not find anything here on Leverguns.com about using crayons. It must have been somewhere else.

P.P.S. Found it in this thread, post #12:
http://www.shootersforum.com/handloadin ... -06-a.html

[mike@nds]

Speer makes reusable plastic bullets for pistol calibers.

http://www.speer-bullets.com/products/c ... llets.aspx

[adirondakjack]

Back in the '60s, my dad loaded wax bullets for a .38 to play around with. He even popped a couple of dogs in the flanks to deter them tearing into garbage without doing actual harm. So he was in a rural gunsmith's shop and told the smith about it. "Just a primer and a wax plug".

The gunsmith filed it away in memory, then "mis-remembered" what dad told him. He remembered "substitute wax for lead in a regular target load", which was like 1 1/2 grains of bullseye in .38. He did remember dad's tale of popping a dog and doing no real harm.

So somewhere in his pea brain, Tommy got an idea to play a joke on his wife. The gun shop/reloading area was in the basement of their home and he could hear her in the kitchen above. Tommy sneaked up the stairs to the kitchen just as his wife was bent over, putting a tray of cookies in the oven. So He popped her in her rather generous backside.

Thankfully her clothing absorbed most of the energy, but the wax bullet still penetrated, ending up under the skin an inch or so. I guess in those days you could explain such an incident away and not get the authorities involved, but it took painful removal by the doc, and a stitch or two to close the wound. Tommy's wife didn't leave him, but he did end up buying her a convertible in atoning for his foolishness.

[Sixgun]

ADJack,
That was great! It reminded me of the time when I was outback shooting a BB gun and my wife was walking to the barn. I too, popped her in the backside and the only thing I remember was the knife she was holding (to cut the string on a bail of hay) come flying back and whizzing past my face.

Later that day she gave me my dinner by letting it slide off the plate and into my lap. 'Ya don't mess with Italian women. ------------Sixgun

[Blaine]

There's a word for men like you......Damm Lucky

[1894c]

There's a word for men like you......Damm Lucky :lol:

yikes.. :0

[bdhold]

you could shoot it at art board and turn it in for art class...

[model55]

How about .22 caliber pellet gun pellets over a primer in .22 hornet?

[adirondakjack]

How about .22 caliber pellet gun pellets over a primer in .22 hornet?

A .22 BB cap is the oldest metallic cartridge still being loaded. 17 grain round ball and rimfire primer, no powder. Out of Stevens .22 "shot" gun, they run 770 fps. I understand Audubon and others used them to shoot birds, then mounted em on a stick to paint...

[MacEntyre]

A .22 BB cap is the oldest metallic cartridge still being loaded.

Searched the internet for these, and found them at a much better price than CCI CB caps or Aguila Super Colibris.

I shoot CBs and Colibris out of my daughter's pink Cricket single shot bolt gun. It's perfect for those light loads.

Thanks!

[AJMD429]

Guess who's going to be buying crayons tomorrow?

They're probably one of the 'terrorist watch list' items for this very reason...

[AJMD429]

How about .22 caliber pellet gun pellets over a primer in .22 hornet?

Convert-a-pell makes a gizmo kind of like that - .22 Hornet machined to accept a large rifle primer... http://convert-a-pell.com/

[Old Shatterhand]

This remind me of a stupid test we did: wax slugs. We cut the crimps from factory loaded shotgun hull and mixed the shots with candle wax. Then we shot the "wax slugs". They spread badly and only 2 out of 3 ever hit the target. The rest disintegrated in the air.

This guy takes these slugs more seriously... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhqosJmU ... ure=relmfu

P.

[MacEntyre]

A friend of mine made a 12ga ice slug... emptied the shot, poured in the water, put it in the freezer... then fired it through a 3/4" piece of plywood!

[pdentrem]

I have used 22pellets in 222 Remington in my Win 70SA and with just the primer they will cover 50 feet but dropped about 18" or so. In a Hornet they should move quicker and have less drop. I have a Hornet but I have not done so YET!

[adirondakjack]

A .22 BB cap is the oldest metallic cartridge still being loaded.

Searched the internet for these, and found them at a much better price than CCI CB caps or Aguila Super Colibris.

I shoot CBs and Colibris out of my daughter's pink Cricket single shot bolt gun. It's perfect for those light loads.

Thanks!

I found a "roll" (yep, like a coin roll) of five 100 ct. tins (like airgun pellets come in) of BB caps at a local auction. I paid $5 for em all. RWS made em in the 1950s or 60s, and they all still go "bang" just fine The only issue with em is the cases are not brass, but soft copper, so in some guns (DA revolver notably) case expansion makes extraction difficult.