Will a stock set for a Win. model 94 carbine fit a Rossi 92

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Will a stock set for a Win. model 94 carbine fit a Rossi 92

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I see Ramline has synthetic stocks for the Winchester model '94 and '94 AE lever action carbines.
Will the model '94 stock interchange with the model '92 stock of a Rossi lever action carbine?
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Re: Will a stock set for a Win. model 94 carbine fit a Rossi 92

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Good question. I do believe that in the old days Winchester stocks for the 92s, 94s and others were interchangeable but then, the tang configuration changed on the 94 (after the other models were long out of production). What changes in tang shape Rossi might have made compared to the original I do not know nor do I know for which era of 94 the Ramline stock is made. If made for the narrower (early IIRC) Winchester tang it would be a simple matter of inletting it correctly (unless that part is hollow as is the main part of the butt, I think these are roto-molded). If not, you might have to glass bed it to make up the difference.

For my own part I would put plastic on a lever gun about the time that I start to abuse dogs, eat toothpaste, and drive the wrong way on the interstate.
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Re: Will a stock set for a Win. model 94 carbine fit a Rossi 92

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According to Precision Gun Stocks:
Similar to a Winchester, but this lookalike has just enough differences that we made this special stock pattern to enable customers to easily change the stocks on the Rossi, with as little fitting as possible.
The best way to know, would be to actually try a wood stock from a mdl 94 on a Rossi mdl 92. Make sure that you make the attempt with a stock with the deeper inlet for the coil spring mechanism.
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Re: Will a stock set for a Win. model 94 carbine fit a Rossi 92

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Quote - For my own part I would put plastic on a lever gun about the time that I start to abuse dogs, eat toothpaste, and drive the wrong way on the interstate.

Yeah, I know what you mean but the reason I'm asking is that a stainless all weather lever action just about cries for one if you don't want to get your wood stock damaged while out hunting.
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Re: Will a stock set for a Win. model 94 carbine fit a Rossi 92

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I ordered a walnut stock set and am not a stock maker, and would probably NOT do again. there was a larger amount of fitting than I have the patience for.
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Re: Will a stock set for a Win. model 94 carbine fit a Rossi 92

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flightsimmer,

It may work, but you will probably wind up shaving & trimming the buttstock, in the tang area. You may heve to do the same for the forestock. Junior's page, about his Model 94 "heart attack rifle", shows some of the features of the Ram-line stock:

http://www.castbullet.com/shooting/heart.htm

"Ram-Line offers their Model 94 stock in S.W.A.T. team black only. The Model 94 is a woods rifle, not an urban warfare rifle. They would sell many more Model 94 camo stocks than black stocks. In fact, if they decide to start selling them I'm replacing the one on this rifle.

The swivel stud's instructions called for a 5/32" bit. But with that size pilot hole, installing the swivel stud cracked the plastic brace and popped loose one end of an aluminum strip. After saying $#@%^ or something similar, I re-drilled the hole with a larger, 3/16" bit. Then, using a toothpick, I put epoxy in the hole. I then re-installed the stud and smeared a big dollop of epoxy around the aluminum strip. The stud isn't coming out.

By the way: if someone would make a hinged buttplate for Ram-Line stocks, there's all kinds of hidden storage space inside the hollow stock.

The plastic to metal fit of the Ram-Line stock wasn't so great, as this photo shows. I trimmed the stock, but I finally decided the effort was wasted on such an ugly rifle. To prevent rain seepage into the action, I'll caulk the gaps."


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"To prevent rain seepage into the action, I'll caulk the gaps."
:shock:

I guess that would work.
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Up to WWII the 92's and 94's used the same wood. After the war, the 92 was dropped and the post war 94 had slightly different wood, most noticeable in the upper tang area.
That said, the Ram-line syn stocks can be used on the Rossi 92 but you will need to fit them better and fill around the upper tang. If it's 357/38 you will need to fill the forend around the mag tube, too.

I'm still trying to figure a way to ream that plastic forend for the 454 mag tube. :?: :?:
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AJMD429 wrote:
"To prevent rain seepage into the action, I'll caulk the gaps."
:shock:

I guess that would work.
Or you could wax the tangs real good, rough the stock edges with sand paper and then fill the gaps with black epoxie.
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I talked to a fella at Ram-line and he said that the 94 stock will not and cannot be made to fit a Rossi 92 receiver. He also said he would have to have an order for 5000 or more to make it worth the effort. So, there you have it.
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flightsimmer wrote:I talked to a fella at Remline and he said that the 94 stock will not and cannot be made to fit a Rossi 92 receiver. He also said he would have to have an order for 5000 or more to make it worth the effort. So, there you have it.

Ok, :roll: I used Pixie dust on it when I did it. He probably doesn't have any. :lol:
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Nate Kiowa Jones wrote:
flightsimmer wrote:I talked to a fella at Remline and he said that the 94 stock will not and cannot be made to fit a Rossi 92 receiver. He also said he would have to have an order for 5000 or more to make it worth the effort. So, there you have it.

Ok, :roll: I used Pixie dust on it when I did it. He probably doesn't have any. :lol:
So how did it turn out? Pictures?
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flightsimmer wrote:I talked to a fella at Remline and he said that the 94 stock will not and cannot be made to fit a Rossi 92 receiver. He also said he would have to have an order for 5000 or more to make it worth the effort. So, there you have it.
Sounds like a No Brainer for Braztec. They could probably sell 5000 Ramline Stocked Stainless 92's in a week if they had them.
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Old Ironsights wrote:
flightsimmer wrote:I talked to a fella at Remline and he said that the 94 stock will not and cannot be made to fit a Rossi 92 receiver. He also said he would have to have an order for 5000 or more to make it worth the effort. So, there you have it.
Sounds like a No Brainer for Braztec. They could probably sell 5000 Ramline Stocked Stainless 92's in a week if they had them.
Remember, they're a long way away in Brazil... probably don't have quite the pulse of American leverguns... Then again... I don't see many folks asking for them. Even here.
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flightsimmer wrote:I talked to a fella at Remline and he said that the 94 stock will not and cannot be made to fit a Rossi 92 receiver. He also said he would have to have an order for 5000 or more to make it worth the effort. So, there you have it.
Sounds like a No Brainer for Braztec. They could probably sell 5000 Ramline Stocked Stainless 92's in a week if they had them.
Remember, they're a long way away in Brazil... probably don't have quite the pulse of American leverguns... Then again... I don't see many folks asking for them. Even here.
'Cause it ain't available. Right now the closest thing you can get to a levergun with a waterproof stock is the Mossberg Abomination or the custom Kevlar jobs for the Co-Pilots...

(No point in putting one on a Blue gun, but on Stainless?... it would make it a fine bit of kit around water.)
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For my own part I would put plastic on a lever gun about the time that I start to abuse dogs, eat toothpaste, and drive the wrong way on the interstate.
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I contacted Rossi/Braztec and Ram-line customer service by phone and put a bug in their ear about maybe offering synthetic stocks for the stainless model '92 lever guns to make them [all weather] or as a after market item and they said they would pass it along.
We will see.
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flightsimmer wrote:
Nate Kiowa Jones wrote:
flightsimmer wrote:I talked to a fella at Remline and he said that the 94 stock will not and cannot be made to fit a Rossi 92 receiver. He also said he would have to have an order for 5000 or more to make it worth the effort. So, there you have it.

Ok, :roll: I used Pixie dust on it when I did it. He probably doesn't have any. :lol:
So how did it turn out? Pictures?
With all due respect, flightsimmer, you just don't get it. 8)

Steve is THE pre-eminent Model 92 gunsmith extant, and his word can be taken to the bank.

If he said it's doable, it is.

If YOU can't do it (and many folks can't - so don't feel bad aboutit ) - just send your rifle to him.


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Pete44ru wrote:
flightsimmer wrote:
Nate Kiowa Jones wrote:
flightsimmer wrote:I talked to a fella at Remline and he said that the 94 stock will not and cannot be made to fit a Rossi 92 receiver. He also said he would have to have an order for 5000 or more to make it worth the effort. So, there you have it.

Ok, :roll: I used Pixie dust on it when I did it. He probably doesn't have any. :lol:
So how did it turn out? Pictures?
With all due respect, flightsimmer, you just don't get it. 8)

Steve is THE pre-eminent Model 92 gunsmith extant, and his word can be taken to the bank.

If he said it's doable, it is.

If YOU can't do it (and many folks can't - so don't feel bad aboutit ) - just send your rifle to him.
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Well I don't have one in stainless, yet, all mine are blued so I have no reason to buy one and try it, yet. I'm looking for a stainless though.
But I was trying to get a feel for how much interest there would be in having them available.
I work in composites from time to time so I wouldn't have any problem finding a way and I just love a challange. Hmmmm, I need to look in to that.
Oh! Yes I know Steve is the best, I'm one of his customers.
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flightsimmer wrote:...
But I was trying to get a feel for how much interest there would be in having them available.
I work in composites from time to time so I wouldn't have any problem finding a way and I just love a challange. Hmmmm, I need to look in to that...
When I got my Stainless .357 about 8 years ago one of the first questions I asked was about fitting the Ramline stock.

I'd still like one, but am not willing to mess around with making it work.

But as soon as I can buy a drop-in set... I'm there.
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flightsimmer wrote:
Nate Kiowa Jones wrote:
flightsimmer wrote:I talked to a fella at Remline and he said that the 94 stock will not and cannot be made to fit a Rossi 92 receiver. He also said he would have to have an order for 5000 or more to make it worth the effort. So, there you have it.

Ok, :roll: I used Pixie dust on it when I did it. He probably doesn't have any. :lol:
So how did it turn out? Pictures?

This was awhile back and it was for an original Win 92 carbine in 44-40. I did it for a local guy and the fitting involved adding some epoxy filler here and there mostly around the upper tang on each side of the hammer well. I used Brownels black dye they sell for acquglass to match the stock but I don't care for their epoxies. The gun was about 60% so the sanding/fitting was done on it. This is because the owner was going to send it out for a matte nickel finish. He was going to send pics when it was finished but he never did.
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Well Steve can chime in here but I don't see him offering a composite stock on his web page. Maybe he does it for himself or for a special order, I don't know.

Personally, I would like a stainless, 20" Rossi '92 in 44 Magnum with a black or camo synthetic stock with Steves full action job and his bolt peep sight with a large white front sight. But I have no idea what the total cost would be. It would go very nicely with my 6" S&W model 629, yumm, yumm.

I've already got a blued 20" in 357 Magnum to go with my S&W model 66-1, 4" with a custom action job on both. They are nice.
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