Marlin one piece firing pins?

S.B. · Post by **S.B.** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:08 am

Where would one buy these?

Leverdude · Post by **Leverdude** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:20 am

Longhunter something or other. I lost the link a couple computers ago.
Longhunter gun supplies or parts?

old goat · Post by **old goat** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:36 am

...FYI, when needing something of this type, there is a Marlin resources page on the www.leverguns.com home page.

...Try this link:
http://www.evilroyshootingschool.com/pr ... html#M1894

...old goat

Leverdude · Post by **Leverdude** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:36 am

Found it.

http://www.longhunt.com/gunparts/gun_parts.shtml#m95

DennisD · Post by **DennisD** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:07 am

I haven't had my 1894 Cowboy .44 mag very long so I have a question. What is the advantage of the 1 piece firing pin? Is the stock 2 piece pin prone to breaking or something?

Pisgah · Post by **Pisgah** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:23 am

DennisD wrote:I haven't had my 1894 Cowboy .44 mag very long so I have a question. What is the advantage of the 1 piece firing pin? Is the stock 2 piece pin prone to breaking or something?

Personal opinion, no slight intended to anyone -- but I believe the main advantage to them is that those who sell them make money.

Supposedly, they help make the action smoother, and are usually installed by those involved in fast competition shooting. But the two-piece design was intentional, a safety device meant to preclude firing while out-of-battery. And, in fact, I believe the two piece pin is probably LESS prone to breakage that the one-piece.

Terry Murbach · Post by **Terry Murbach** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:35 am

LISTEN TO PISGAH HERE AS HE NAILED THIS ONE DOWN TIGHT !!

Leverdude · Post by **Leverdude** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:31 pm

Pisgah is on the money for the most part.
The 2 piece pin made its debut with the model 1893. Its predecessor thec1889 used a one piece pin. It had other saftey features that prevented firing out of battery. The main reason for the development of the 2 piece was not to prevent firing out of battery but to render the gun unfireable if the locking block was left out. If you leave the locking bolt out of a gun equipped with a 2 piece pin it cannot fire. If you put that one piece in then the gun WILL fire with pieces missing, jmho but thats not an acceptable situation & I wouldn't use one other than for diagnostic reasons. I bought one & used it in a process of elimination trying to figure out why my gun wouldn't go bang.
Now its in a parts box until I need it again.

Theres better safer ways to smooth up a Marlin or relieve friction on the fireing pin without rendering a saftey feature nonfunctional.

big medicine · Post by **big medicine** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:38 pm

I wouldn't go with a once piece firing pin for safety reasons. I have been shooting Marlins for the better part of 30 years and have never had a problem with the factory firing pins.

Grizzly Adams · Post by **Grizzly Adams** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:07 pm

Pisgah wrote:
DennisD wrote:I haven't had my 1894 Cowboy .44 mag very long so I have a question. What is the advantage of the 1 piece firing pin? Is the stock 2 piece pin prone to breaking or something?
Personal opinion, no slight intended to anyone -- but I believe the main advantage to them is that those who sell them make money.

Supposedly, they help make the action smoother, and are usually installed by those involved in fast competition shooting. But the two-piece design was intentional, a safety device meant to preclude firing while out-of-battery. And, in fact, I believe the two piece pin is probably LESS prone to breakage that the one-piece.

Yep, just a gizmo to make money with!:lol:

I believe that the term "Marlin Safety" is in reference to the 2 piece firing pin, which as Leverdude notes began with the 1893.

Leverdude · Post by **Leverdude** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:45 pm

I believe that the term "Marlin Safety" is in reference to the 2 piece firing pin, which as Leverdude notes began with the 1893.
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Nope, it started on the 1889 because of side ejection, They made a big deal out of it at the time.

Grizzly Adams · Post by **Grizzly Adams** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:00 pm

Leverdude wrote:
I believe that the term "Marlin Safety" is in reference to the 2 piece firing pin, which as Leverdude notes began with the 1893.
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Nope, it started on the 1889 because of side ejection, They made a big deal out of it at the time.

Interesting! Thanks!

Leverdude · Post by **Leverdude** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:07 pm

Grizzly Adams wrote:
Leverdude wrote:
I believe that the term "Marlin Safety" is in reference to the 2 piece firing pin, which as Leverdude notes began with the 1893.
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Nope, it started on the 1889 because of side ejection, They made a big deal out of it at the time.
Interesting! Thanks!

Thats ok, I only mentioned it because I thought the same thing about the Marlin saftey being for the 2 piece pin... Till I got an 1889 & it was on there too.

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:23 pm

What pisgah said + 5 or is it 6?

DennisD · Post by **DennisD** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:48 pm

Thanks for the responses. I could not personally see a disadvantage to the 2 piece but I always try to ask the more knowledgeable; of which there are a lot here.

I believe the main advantage to them is that those who sell them make money.

That seems to be the case with a lot of things. It is kinda like going to the local biker bar and listening to someone try to convince everyone else how much better his bike runs or handles or stops or has more power because he bolted on a chrome axle bolt cover or some other chrome piece that he found on his last trip to the Harley boutique. Don't get me wrong, I currently ride a Harley and have had several others in my stable (I have had 16 different bikes in my long riding career). Some of the "new breed" of riders just kill me however.

JimT · Post by **JimT** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:02 am

Now boys .. if you have never tried one all you can do is guess.

I have tried them and compared them and yes, they DO make the action noticably smoother.

But ... they are designed for CAS .. for "race" guns... I would NOT use them for hunting or self-defense guns.

As has been stated, the gun can possibly be fired "out of battery". It's not as easy as one would think. If you don't have a one-piece firing pin you can't test it. I have.

I don't get any money for saying so .. I ain't affiliated with anyone who makes them .. BUT THEY DO SLICK UP THE GUN. So if you are building a levergun for CAS I suggest you give it a try.

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/taylor/onepiece.htm

GEOFF · Post by **GEOFF** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:16 pm

Now that was an interesting discussion and I learned alot from all the posts.

Never knew a one piece firing pin would smooth up an action. I understand the safety factor of the 2 piece though.

Geoff

Texican · Post by **Texican** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:24 pm

JimT wrote:Now boys .. if you have never tried one all you can do is guess.

I have tried them and compared them and yes, they DO make the action noticably smoother.

But ... they are designed for CAS .. for "race" guns... I would NOT use them for hunting or self-defense guns.

As has been stated, the gun can possibly be fired "out of battery". It's not as easy as one would think. If you don't have a one-piece firing pin you can't test it. I have.

I don't get any money for saying so .. I ain't affiliated with anyone who makes them .. BUT THEY DO SLICK UP THE GUN. So if you are building a levergun for CAS I suggest you give it a try.

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/taylor/onepiece.htm

There's a comment to "+1"; nicely said. And yes, it's like an instant action job for $20.00. Combined with proper springs and judicious polishing it can make a rifle sing.

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:29 pm

What Jim T said is true. It does take a little effort to lift that rear pin up against its spring tension before the gun will fire.
For CAS shooting every little advantage is worth going after.
I shoot so slow it would not help me! I will take the added safety and the factory parts ,Thank You!

S.B. · Post by **S.B.** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:15 am

Thanks, guys. I think I've got a handle on this now. Steve

JimT · Post by **JimT** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:05 am

I will bring my Marlin to the CSA and anyone who cares to shoot it may do so.