Frustration with new Winchester Miroku

[Fircrest911]

New Winchester 1892 Miroku in 357 Magnum has problems feeding cartridges from magazine to the carrier straight out of the box. The cartridge stop seemed to be malfunctioning. Send gun back to Winchester/Browning repair. Get it back two weeks later. They replaced the cartridge guide pin, guide LT, cartridge guide screw, cartridge stop spring. Gun is now occasionally failing to feed, with cartridge sticking straight up when you try to cycle the first round.
Any ideas?
(If I knew how to post a pic here, I could show what I mean.)

[Blaine]

Back to the factory....tell them you want a new one...that's unacceptable for a new rifle of that quality.

[Grizzly Adams]

Sounds like you have a problem with OAL. Are you shooting factory 357 or hand loads?

[Fircrest911]

Sounds like you have a problem with OAL. Are you shooting factory 357 or hand loads?

Factory only.
I am shooting 140 grain Fiocchi. Today, when I got the gun back, I cycled rounds through but did not fire any.

[FWiedner]

...that's unacceptable for a new rifle of ANY quality.

Fixed it for you...

[Blaine]

...that's unacceptable for a new rifle of ANY quality.

Fixed it for you...

Much Grass

[flatnose]

I would call winchester and find out what ammo they tested the gun with at the repair facility. Tell then you were using fiocchi. I tried to find a picture online of the 140 grain ammo, but could only find 142grain pointy ammo. Maybe thats the problem.

[2571]

I agree it sonds like an OAL problem. Borrow (because you can't buy ammo anywhere right now) some factory ammo of different manufacture.

Good luck. Took me months to diagnose & resolve a similar issue last year.

[Fircrest911]

I will try some other ammo I have on hand. The Fiocchi is 142 grain, not 140. My mistake.
Winchester Browning offered to pay for me to ship it back. I will try the other ammo first. Thanks to all for the suggestion.

[Blaine]

I'm going to be ornery here......The thing goes TU as soon as they come out of the mag, before they even start to chamber?? NOT an OAL problem, IMO....

[1894c]

I'm going to be ornery here......The thing goes TU as soon as they come out of the mag, before they even start to chamber?? NOT an OAL problem, IMO....

no BlaineG...tell me ain't so...i only know you as a gentle, kind, and gracious man, full of goodness and compassion towards his fellow-man...unless of course you're completely and hopelessly stupid...no fixing that... :)

[Blaine]

I'm going to be ornery here......The thing goes TU as soon as they come out of the mag, before they even start to chamber?? NOT an OAL problem, IMO....

no BlaineG...tell me ain't so...i only know you as a gentle, kind, and gracious man, full of goodness and compassion towards his fellow-man...unless of course you're completely and hopelessly stupid...no fixing that...

I don't know whether to say Thanks, or, Bite me

[Fircrest911]

I'm going to be ornery here......The thing goes TU as soon as they come out of the mag, before they even start to chamber?? NOT an OAL problem, IMO....

That's an accurate description.

[aussie]

Had the same problem with my 94 Legacy in 45 Colt from new. The problem was that the cartridge stop wasn't high enough to hold the next round back and it overrode the stop and jammed things up. Had to then dismantle the rifle to extract it. After searching on here for a solution, it seemed that the problem wasn't rare and even after sending them back to the factory, the problem persisted. I finally corrected the problem by building the cartridge stop up with weld and then re-shaping it. Works like a charm....every time. Now a pleasure to shoot.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

I'm going to be ornery here......The thing goes TU as soon as they come out of the mag, before they even start to chamber?? NOT an OAL problem, IMO....

That's an accurate description.

You still have a cartridge stop problem. But now it's the reverse of what you had before. Before, it sounded like the stop was not allowing a round to come on to the carrier everytime. Now it's allowing two to come onto the carrier. It appears they tried to fix the first problem by taking some metal from the cart stop but they took too much. That is not how you fix that problem. You fix it by adjusting the fit of the bolt/stop interface so that the bolt will push the stop more, swinging it out of the way to release the first round. If can be made to work but it will probably require another cart stop.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

Had the same problem with my 94 Legacy in 45 Colt from new. The problem was that the cartridge stop wasn't high enough to hold the next round back and it overrode the stop and jammed things up. Had to then dismantle the rifle to extract it. After searching on here for a solution, it seemed that the problem wasn't rare and even after sending them back to the factory, the problem persisted. I finally corrected the problem by building the cartridge stop up with weld and then re-shaping it. Works like a charm....every time. Now a pleasure to shoot.

That fix won't work for the 92. Totally different cart stop arrangement.

[flatnose]

What happens when you put only one round in the magazine and cycle it through the action?

[1894c]

I'm going to be ornery here......The thing goes TU as soon as they come out of the mag, before they even start to chamber?? NOT an OAL problem, IMO....

no BlaineG...tell me ain't so...i only know you as a gentle, kind, and gracious man, full of goodness and compassion towards his fellow-man...unless of course you're completely and hopelessly stupid...no fixing that... :)

I don't know whether to say Thanks, or, Bite me :? :lol:

nothing but a simple complement to my neighbor south of me...but "BITE ME" works, i'm an x-NYer... :)

[Fircrest911]

"You still have a cartridge stop problem. But now it's the reverse of what you had before. Before, it sounded like the stop was not allowing a round to come on to the carrier everytime. Now it's allowing two to come onto the carrier. It appears they tried to fix the first problem by taking some metal from the cart stop but they took too much. That is not how you fix that problem. You fix it by adjusting the fit of the bolt/stop interface so that the bolt will push the stop more, swinging it out of the way to release the first round. If can be made to work but it will probably require another cart stop.[/quote]

Yes, that appears to be the case. Nothing was moving now everything is moving.
I believe they replaced the cart stop, but perhaps not.
Thank you Steve!

[aussie]

Had the same problem with my 94 Legacy in 45 Colt from new. The problem was that the cartridge stop wasn't high enough to hold the next round back and it overrode the stop and jammed things up. Had to then dismantle the rifle to extract it. After searching on here for a solution, it seemed that the problem wasn't rare and even after sending them back to the factory, the problem persisted. I finally corrected the problem by building the cartridge stop up with weld and then re-shaping it. Works like a charm....every time. Now a pleasure to shoot.

That fix won't work for the 92. Totally different cart stop arrangement.

No problem.

[Grizzly Adams]

Well a picture is worth a thousand words...... !

[Griff]

Glad to see that picture and that Steve chimed in. Classic cartridge stop issue in a 1892. Prevalent in the .357 versions from Rossi. Haven't seen any .357 versions from Miroku, but apparently they can also have the plague!

[Fircrest911]

I am sending photos with the rifle back to Browning. Hopefully this will assist them in fixing it.

[Fircrest911]

It's on its way back. Said they replaced the cartridge stop. I am skeptical but hopeful. Will report soon.
I have had the rifle in my possession a total of 3 days since buying it in January.

[Tycer]

Sure took them long enough! Fingers crossed for you!

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

It's on its way back. Said they replaced the cartridge stop. I am skeptical but hopeful. Will report soon.
I have had the rifle in my possession a total of 3 days since buying it in January.

There's fixing and there's parts changing. Unless they get lucky just replacing the cart stop probably won't fix the problem. Someone down there need to learn how to adjust the cart stop to bolt timing.

[rossim92]

I have the same problem with my rossi 92.. It will be going to steve young for an action job.