OT - Bug out bags (long)

[Jarhead]

Dang Hobie I was hoping for at least some Biscuits and Gravy!

Now I don't care what anybody says, "Thats Funny!"

[Jarhead]

There's a great book called 'The Roads of Texas' I used to dodge the 12 hour trip most took when bugging out of Houston for hurricane Rita. It shows darn near every road, path and game trail on it; much better than a Rand McNally when the balloon goes up. Thanks to the panic from Katrina the mess was incredible. After the initial 4 miles (took us about 4 hours) we turned off the main road and sailed along our merry way. We could have lived out of that truck for a week if need be but thankfully didn't need too. My folks near Beaumont bugged out and weren't allowed to return for 3 weeks, save for an escorted trip by the Sheriff for a few necessities and to empty their fridge and freezer into the trash.

Before that, when Allison struck and 18 wheelers were floating down I-10, Cell phone towers didn't work in Houston, and some of the land lines didn't work. Hospitals in the med center were flooded. And I was stuck OUT OF TOWN and had to live away from home for almost a week until the water drained. Having a few necessities always on board helped.

While a total CoMWeC may happen it's more prudent to prepare for a partial disruption of society. So while, yes, swiss army knives and lighters are handy, I'd also recommend:

-$1000.00 Cash (if you can make it to the next town's Walmart...)
-Toilet paper (and sanitary needs for women coming along)
-Necessary prescription meds
-Baby wipes
-Hand sanitizer
-toothbrush/paste
-sporks
-Prell concentrated shampoo (as a detergent it'll wash you, your clothes, your dishes,etc...)
-Solar charger for batteries, car, laptop, cell phone
-100ft of parachute cord
-Secure Flashdrive or SD card (encrypted) with family photos, address book, copies of certificates (licenses, degrees, etc.) passwords, accounts, etc. [MicroCenter has an 8GB flash drive for $30.00 this month]

and as most would agree if you do pack iron, it should be something easy to feed; as in the most common calibers. .22LR, 9mm, .38/357, .45ACP 12ga., etc. It is hard to beat a Glock 9mm; like the M6 rifle it's a tool. Simple, light, rugged, reliable, concealable, common. My next choice would be a 3 or 4" GP100 (not as light though). 10mm may be a stopper alright, but will it be at the feed store when you need more?

Just my 2 cents,

WALMART????WTF OVER??

[mescalero1]

I own residential & commercial property in the place I grew up.
I am going back there to retire.
Initially after a bug out scene, I would probably have difficulty re- establishing myself, enough of the locals still remember me.
It is off the beaten path & people coming there would not do so by accident.
Others, who have not prepared in a simular manner will have a hard time of it indeed!

[Texican]

I'd also recommend:

-$1000.00 Cash (if you can make it to the next town's Walmart...)

WALMART????WTF OVER??

This is about survival, right?

[Jarhead]

I'd also recommend:

-$1000.00 Cash (if you can make it to the next town's Walmart...)

WALMART????WTF OVER??

This is about survival, right?

Indeed it is! And you will not be shopping at Walmart or anywhere else for that matter. I have gone through Mountain, Jungle, and Desert Survival in the Marine Corps...and to be honest...we did not go to WALMART...

[budliteguy]

Bug out bag!!!!!!! How many on here live in the city? Unless you bug out 2days before the **** hits the fan then your screwed!!! You are not going anywhere because everyone else is going the same place you are. If something major did happen more than likely you will be at work, then what are you going to do, bug out and leave your family to fend for their selfs, no you are going to try and get home to them. It would probley be best just to hold up at home. Maybe make a plan with your close neighbors to help each other out. If you are traveling a supply bag in your vehicle would be a good idea. Food and Water for at least 3 days per person. Extra money, Weapon and extra ammo. A.22 does work wonders,you can care alot of ammo in a small amount of space. A .22 will kill!!!!! Remember you dont want a confrontation if you can avoid it. Its best just to go the oppose way. That Macho male attitude can get you killed. You will need extra Gas for your vehicle or a good pair of hiking shoes, to use when your vehicle runs out of gas and because everything has fallen apart and the gas station isn't open today. Lots of things to consider when it comes to bugging out. But you do need a plan that the whole family knows and understands. Train your family in what they need to do when things fall apart. Thats a good starting place.

[mescalero1]

Lighten up boys, cash is always good

[Jarhead]

Lighten up boys, cash is always good

I think I'll take my Visa card....

[mescalero1]

budliteguy,
Northern Hydraulics sells a nifty little self priming pump you can hook to the tip of a cordless drill, will self prime and lift 20 feet.
Just what the doctor ordered for an underground storage tank

[Texican]

I'd also recommend:

-$1000.00 Cash (if you can make it to the next town's Walmart...)

WALMART????WTF OVER??

This is about survival, right?

Indeed it is! And you will not be shopping at Walmart or anywhere else for that matter. I have gone through Mountain, Jungle, and Desert Survival in the Marine Corps...and to be honest...we did not go to WALMART...

You would have if you could have.

I'd have to go 500 miles before I ran into a Mountain or Desert, and MUCH farther before I hit a jungle. Maybe 20 miles to a swamp, though. My bug out bag/supplies are for disaster preparedness - realistic disasters. Yeah sure, my family has several hundred acres scattered around BFE parts of Texas, and yeah I could live at any one of them for extended periods of time. My 4x4 is never below 1/2 a tank and that's more than enough to get to the first couple sites in either direction. What I'm saying is: for the times I've had to bug out - the world hasn't ended. I haven't gone to ground. I've gone to family. If y'all think a back pack is enough to survive the end times, fine. It'll be hunker down time, not bug out time. I'd rather prepare for the likely need.

I'm telling you cash and TP come in handy.

[Jarhead]

WALMART????WTF OVER??

This is about survival, right?

Indeed it is! And you will not be shopping at Walmart or anywhere else for that matter. I have gone through Mountain, Jungle, and Desert Survival in the Marine Corps...and to be honest...we did not go to WALMART...

You would have if you could have.

I'd have to go 500 miles before I ran into a Mountain or Desert, and MUCH farther before I hit a jungle. Maybe 20 miles to a swamp, though. My bug out bag/supplies are for disaster preparedness - realistic disasters. Yeah sure, my family has several hundred acres scattered around BFE parts of Texas, and yeah I could live at any one of them for extended periods of time. My 4x4 is never below 1/2 a tank and that's more than enough to get to the first couple sites in either direction. What I'm saying is: for the times I've had to bug out - the world hasn't ended. I haven't gone to ground. I've gone to family. If y'all think a back pack is enough to survive the end times, fine. It'll be hunker down time, not bug out time. I'd rather prepare for the likely need.

I'm telling you cash and TP come in handy.

You do it your way Brother, and I'll to it my way.
Best of luck...I have 70,000 acres of Wilderness in my backyard. I reckon it depends on what type of situation you're talking about...if it's War, you better have your ducks in a row and .22 rifle is a joke! When I (was on active duty) was a Marine we would Puke and S*&T on the run and clean our pants out later...otherwise, you would get left behind...

[budliteguy]

That would work, as long as the Station owner didnt shoot you for stealing his gas!!!!!!! Oh by the way A good magazine to read is the backwoodsman. Always has very informative stuff in it.

[mescalero1]

Always liked that mag.
Good stuff from down to earth people

[Texican]

When I was a Marine we would Puke and S*&T on the run and clean our pants out later...otherwise, you would get left behind...

'Was'? I thought there was no such thing as an ex-marine...

Yep, you do it your way. Don't freeze up there.

[Jarhead]

When I was a Marine we would Puke and S*&T on the run and clean our pants out later...otherwise, you would get left behind...

'Was'? I thought there was no such thing as an ex-marine...

Yep, you do it your way. Don't freeze up there.

Was on Active duty...Oh, I'm still a Marine(combat I might add)....always will be...how about you?

By the way, you can't buy the Title "Marine" at Walmart.

[Texican]

By the way, you can't buy the Title "Marine" at Walmart.

Sure you can:



They've got thousands of titles....

also they have a marine section with all kinds of tackle....

and before we go another round; this is all still in fun right?

[Swampman]

"It is hard to beat a Glock 9mm; like the M6 rifle it's a tool. Simple, light, rugged, reliable, concealable, common. My next choice would be a 3 or 4" GP100 (not as light though)."

None of these would be my choice.

[Mich Hunter]

Easy does it fella's

[Ron Macy]

There are BOB's and BIB's and in some respects they overlap. The object is survival.
I'm 68, going for my 4th back operation (this time a fusion) and unlike USMC won't be fighting a war regardless. Today, before the operation I can only walk about 100 yards.
Make your bag fit your circumstances. Hunker down in place. Bag to get to a rural site. Bag to get home from a 10 - 25 mile shopping trip. They all have a different makeup.
When we lived in Salinas, CA my wife worked in Carmel. She carried a minibike in the back of the pickup to get home in case mudslides closed the coast roads. I'm sure it was overkill, but it sure was comforting.

[Jeeps]

An older gent told me one time while talking about these things to make sure
to bring along BIG fish hooks and some 60 lb. or so line.

If your spending time moving or building a decent cabin/shelter for your family, or any
number of chores to ensure survival, then let the PREDATORS do
the hunting for you.

Hang your hooks about 3-4 foot off the ground with scraps from your bug out
food supply and let the coyotes hunt themselves for you. Next morning they
will be hanging with their front feet off the ground and ready to harvest.

Not my favorite kind of steak, or ethical form of taking, but if your busy making things safe, warm, and
dry and are too tired at the end of the day, there isn't an easier way to get
something to eat to survive.

[Jarhead]

An older gent told me one time while talking about these things to make sure
to bring along BIG fish hooks and some 60 lb. or so line.

If your spending time moving or building a decent cabin/shelter for your family, or any
number of chores to ensure survival, then let the PREDATORS do
the hunting for you.

Hang your hooks about 3-4 foot off the ground with scraps from your bug out
food supply and let the coyotes hunt themselves for you. Next morning they
will be hanging with their front feet off the ground and ready to harvest.

Not my favorite kind of steak, or ethical form of taking, but if your busy making things safe, warm, and
dry and are too tired at the end of the day, there isn't an easier way to get
something to eat to survive.

Hey Brother,

When I went through Mountain War Survival as a squad leader with the Third Battalion 5th Marines, my Men and I actually killed a Porcupine with the butt of our M-16s ...it tasted like a Pine Cone, but it got us by. We killed a rattle snake too...not too bad..tasted like chicken. Also, caught some Trout with our bare hands in a small stream...we would dam up a section and herd the fish into a confined area. We munched on bugs..the grasshoppers weren't too bad. We were not allowed to have anything! They strip searched us to make sure we were not hiding candy bars, fish hooks, etc., before the choppers dropped us off... Even made us take our boots and socks off

That fish hook predator idea sounds great though.

Mike

[Jarhead]

By the way, you can't buy the Title "Marine" at Walmart.

Sure you can:



They've got thousands of titles....

also they have a marine section with all kinds of tackle....

and before we go another round; this is all still in fun right?

Yes, they're a lot of "wannabes" out there. Have fun shopping at Walsmart....and hope you enjoy the flick


"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference. Marines don't have that problem." Ronald Reagan

[Jarhead]

There are BOB's and BIB's and in some respects they overlap. The object is survival.
I'm 68, going for my 4th back operation (this time a fusion) and unlike USMC won't be fighting a war regardless. Today, before the operation I can only walk about 100 yards.
Make your bag fit your circumstances. Hunker down in place. Bag to get to a rural site. Bag to get home from a 10 - 25 mile shopping trip. They all have a different makeup.
When we lived in Salinas, CA my wife worked in Carmel. She carried a minibike in the back of the pickup to get home in case mudslides closed the coast roads. I'm sure it was overkill, but it sure was comforting.

Ron.

Hope you recover soon...

Not a bad idea. I have a couple of Morman friends and they teach their folks to stock pile a years worth of food and water...a great idea regardless of where you live. I agree, each senario would require a different approach to survival. Being a Former Marine(not EX! ), I have been trained to think "worse case senario." If it's just a natural disaster, etc. and not an attack on the United States, nuke or otherwise, than you can get buy without the extremes I've previously posted.

I sure hope it never comes to the " the worst case senario," but if it does, the stores and gas stations will not be open, except to the looters, and money will be useless.

"Bugging out," will be a personal choice. To each his own, and best wishes to all.....

And, again, I wish you a speedy recovery.

Mike

[SmokeEater2]

Maybe not the intended use for such a bag but its a good idea to have at least a change of clothing for everyone in the family in a vehicle,outside shed or a relatives house.
I've seen far too many families standing in the street at 2am in their pajamas or skivvies watching their home and everything in it burn. It takes a bit for us to make contact with charitable organizations and get clothing to them. they usually have to make do with the wool blankets we carry on the truck for several hours. A stocked bug-out bag would make this a bit easier to deal with.

[Texican]

Just out of curiousity, any of y'all watch Jericho? It's pretty fanciful in many regards but I enjoy it. It will make you think about your neighbors...

[lever-4-life]

Mescalero1, I see your concerns with the glock K.B.s but I know it is over hyped, I have seen two m-92's, a sig 229, and a 1911 blow, but I have yet to see it in PERSON happen to a glock. As for the others mentioned I would still trust my life to any of them. From what I have seen the glock is an great pistol. If glocks were not a great gun 65% of american police agencies would not be using glock 22's. At first I was not a fan of the glock, but after I gave one a chance They became a favorite. I have over 2,000 rounds through my g23 with out ANY hick-up of any kind, that to me makes a great P.D. pistol. If you don't feel you can trust a glock then by all means dont use one, I like and trust mine.

[Hobie]

Dang Hobie I was hoping for at least some Biscuits and Gravy!

My goal would be to eventually get where there ain't no one else or folks that were less effected by the masses, and hope they have Christ in their hearts!

Imagine what will happen when 3-10 million, that's MILLION people bug out for western VA and that's JUST western VA. They are going to have to learn to mind their manners. Friends I'll help as they will help me all others, well. Family, it goes without saying. It would not be pleasant at all.

For those that expect to survive, a B.O.B. buys you a little time and distance. Will it be enough? I still think you need an ESTABLISHED location to which to bug out. It isn't like you'll have the/an army standing with you to make people respect you.

[Jarhead]

Dang Hobie I was hoping for at least some Biscuits and Gravy!

My goal would be to eventually get where there ain't no one else or folks that were less effected by the masses, and hope they have Christ in their hearts!

Imagine what will happen when 3-10 million, that's MILLION people bug out for western VA and that's JUST western VA. They are going to have to learn to mind their manners. Friends I'll help as they will help me all others, well. Family, it goes without saying. It would not be pleasant at all.

For those that expect to survive, a B.O.B. buys you a little time and distance. Will it be enough? I still think you need an ESTABLISHED location to which to bug out. It isn't like you'll have the/an army standing with you to make people respect you.

Well said! I agree...

[Hobie]

However, I do have a change of clothes in the truck. It has come in handy a number of times (as in "don't ask me how I know").

[Jarhead]

However, I do have a change of clothes in the truck. It has come in handy a number of times (as in "don't ask me how I know").

Hobie,

That makes me think of a family that froze to death in Alaska...they got stuck in the snow on some back road that nobody ever traveled much. They stayed in their car and kept the heater going. Eventually, the car ran out of gas. Well, it just got ugly from there....Mom, Dad, and the two Kids froze to death...
When I lived up there and took my family on long winter road trips, we always carried -40 rated sleeping bags, as well as, food and water....also a firearm...always.

Mike

[505stevec]

What is the defenition of "Bug out bag"? The reason i ask is because I just watched Red Dawn and it would seem to me that if "The baloon went up" I would take something that held alot of bullets. I think the concept is very sound and will probably start my own bag but I was just wondering.

[Texican]

What is the defenition of "Bug out bag"? The reason i ask is because I just watched Red Dawn and it would seem to me that if "The baloon went up" I would take something that held alot of bullets. I think the concept is very sound and will probably start my own bag but I was just wondering.

Darn good question. Now if we'd just clarified this in the beginning....

[Jarhead]

What is the defenition of "Bug out bag"? The reason i ask is because I just watched Red Dawn and it would seem to me that if "The baloon went up" I would take something that held alot of bullets. I think the concept is very sound and will probably start my own bag but I was just wondering.

505stevec,

As you saw in the many posts, it can be defined in many ways. I reckon it depends on what you're preparing yourself for. As I related, in time of War, nuke or otherwise, it might get you by for awhile, but a remote location, set up well in advance would probably be the most prudent thing to do. The problem is that there are too many people in the big cities and not enough remote areas to go around. In my opinion, it's what ever you think you might need to survive during very serious times. If you're just heading out to get away from a natural disaster, that would present a different need and so on....

To each his own....a different shoe for every foot.

[afish4570]

Oct. of 06 I took a neat weekend course here in upstate NY. Book is offered too. John Mccann authored....don't know how to post a link but his web is bepreparedtosurvive.com. Shows you how to build your own kits and what you should put into it. You can customize it to suit your special needs. Really enjoyed and taught me to use your mind but first you need a knowledge base.A real eye opener afish4570[/b]

[Jarhead]

Oct. of 06 I took a neat weekend course here in upstate NY. Book is offered too. John Mccann authored....don't know how to post a link but his web is bepreparedtosurvive.com. Shows you how to build your own kits and what you should put into it. You can customize it to suit your special needs. Really enjoyed and taught me to use your mind but first you need a knowledge base.A real eye opener afish4570[/b]

I'll check it out...thanks for sharing. Always good to look at all your options.

[afish4570]

Oh!Mccann is an ex Marine too. Really tests what he recommends and gives you the sources, price comparisons and reason why he likes or dislikes whatever he is talking about. I was always concerned (my wife worried)about getting lost in North Central Pa.'s big woods while deer hunting. I took up the big woods several years ago at age 60 and feel alot more confident carrying my BOB with enough stuff to survive a night out if ever need be. afish4570

[Jarhead]

Oh!Mccann is an ex Marine too. Really tests what he recommends and gives you the sources, price comparisons and reason why he likes or dislikes whatever he is talking about. I was always concerned (my wife worried)about getting lost in North Central Pa.'s big woods while deer hunting. I took up the big woods several years ago at age 60 and feel alot more confident carrying my BOB with enough stuff to survive a night out if ever need be. afish4570

No such thing as an EX-Marine Brother He's a Former Marine....And thanks again for sharing the info...much appreciated.

[homefront]

Just thinking.
For many people, getting home from work is the primo use of a BUB. I'm currently working in Philadelphia, and averaging 70 mph it takes me about an hour to get here. I assume that in the event of some catastrophe, I'd be walking for several days to get home due to impassable roads, and I'd be encountering who knows what or who. Weather, hunger, injury, defense all have to be thought through. Having more than one bug-out route sounds important too.
The next question is what to do after I make it home? There has to be a bug-out haven. A plan for family members. A lot to think about.

[Grizz]

I don't know how many small craft sailors are on this forum, but to me a boat is the ultimate get-away.

It's a camper, transportation, shelter, food-gatherer, and isolation all at once. Not too big, shallow draft, able to operate at any location and hide out from fuel guzzlers. A lot to think about, I am actively developing the design for a welded aluminum sail boat that will fill all these specs.

Think about it. It's obviously not for everyone. But how else are ya getting out of Seattle or NYC or DC after the poop hits the propellor?

OK, I guess this is a bug-out-vessel rather than a bug-out-bag. It's a two-fer...

[rjohns94]

Griff, I have a 31 foot Sailboat that is my bug out haven. On it is food, water, fishing gear, firearms, clothes, solar panels for the battery banks, communications gear, fuel, stove, etc. It is my ultimate bug out. I have sailed for some 30 years and this boat is ocean crossing capable. I have been working all winter on improving storage and upgrading the insides. My daily carry bag will get me to it. I even have my mountain bike in the truck when going to work to allow me to get to the boat should the highways be closed or jammed.

mike

[Coldfingers]

Good stuff here. Certainly of interest to me. I make a 500 mile trip 2-3 times a week through northeren AK pulling a tanker load of fuel to the Prudhoe Bay oilfields

Due to the nature of the country, unpredictable weather, road closures from accidents, washouts, avalanches etc, my BOB is a constant companion in addition to what I keep packed in the Kenworth. Cell phone is worthless for 460 miles of the trip.

Getting/keeping the home prepared as a primary hunker has been a long process (and still going on)...multiple heat sources, getting a pitcher pump on the well so we can still access water when the power fails (happens even without a crisis all too often), Alternative lighting (6 months of "dark out"...and keeping it simple enough that the wife can hunker down safely while I weather out the storm somewhere along the road.

I also fret some over the security factor. Dread the thought of some scumbag attempting to snag my rig for some dastarley deed.

It would take me WEEKS to make the hike home if the doo-dooo starts to fling about.

Our "kits" are like winter cloths. A layer system of sorts.

If we "had" to leave the house, my remote hunting bag contains a Kifaru Tipi and woodstove. All of my rigs have a little MSR whisperlite stove and fuel (the whisperlite also burns well with most any liquid fuel.)

I figgure if I ever had to hit the trial in a hurry I had better keep my security system simple and build on what was going to hanging on my belt at the time...pistol caliber rifle to match my CCW. Ammo in every rig and the boat.

My best,

Scotty

[2ndovc]

Grew up sailing the Great Lakes with several extended trips to the Carribean and C.A.
This is the first time in my life I've been with out a sail boat. Sold the last one and bought a speed boat. Was thinking that since I had less time to be on the water a power boat was easier and quicker get away from the dock.

After looking at my fuel bills from last summer I'm thinking it's time to get rid of the gas guzzler and go back to sailing. Tough part would be getting out of the Great Lakes if the world has gone stuff with all the locks and bridges.

Something to think about....

[Old Ironsights]

I don't know how many small craft sailors are on this forum, but to me a boat is the ultimate get-away.

It's a camper, transportation, shelter, food-gatherer, and isolation all at once. Not too big, shallow draft, able to operate at any location and hide out from fuel guzzlers. A lot to think about, I am actively developing the design for a welded aluminum sail boat that will fill all these specs.

Think about it. It's obviously not for everyone. But how else are ya getting out of Seattle or NYC or DC after the poop hits the propellor?

OK, I guess this is a bug-out-vessel rather than a bug-out-bag. It's a two-fer...

If I had the $$$$ that's what I would have... at least for the summer months when Lake Michigan is open. It would be WAAY safer to head north to Canukia than East to Detroit, West to Shitcago or South to Indy...

[Modoc ED]

Just where do all you guys think you're going to BUG-OUT to? Do you think the people in the rural communities are going to welcome you? Think again!!!!! You come to my place and I'll repel all boarders just like all my neighbors will. You'd be a threat to the rural communities and you just might find yourselves in a more dangerous situation by going to the country than if you had just stayed home and BUNCKERED down.

If you live in any community of any size, you'll be bogged down forever in traffic and hampered by panicked individuals who will be trying to get what you've got.

Any of you thought of BUNKERING down where you live?

No, well, how long are you going to wait for your family to muster to the point where you are going to BUG-OUT from? If you wife or perhaps your kids don't make it to the muster location on time, are you going to BUG-OUT with out them -- leave your family members behind.

If you live in Atlanta, GA; Chicago, IL; Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX; El Paso, TX,; Phoenix, AZ; Los Angeles, CA; Fresno, CA; Denver, CO; Oklahoma City, OK; Monroe, LA; or any other city like them, or within 200-miles of them, do you really think you'll be able to BUG-OUT? You'll be mired in chaos.

So, maybe a lot of you ought to start thinking about BUNKERING down at home.

[shdwlkr]

I don't know about the rest of you but my bug out place is 40 miles from anything and in the high mountain desert area and that dictates what I need to have.
Military training is good but the reason you have to leave your home dictates more what you need to take. Storms are one of the first and then fire and then civil unrest.
No place is so rural that folks who are hungry won't find it unless you plan on killing all who come within miles of your place.
It is far more important to know the area you are running to then to be trained in a million non useful things
Never was a marine only an army grunt who ended up and instructor and saw to much of the bad side of humanity.

[Grizz]

LA is on the ocean, lots of room to the west. Lots of inland cities are on navigable rivers, head downstream.

My boat will be a centerboarder and could be pulled across land when there's ice and snow cover the same way heavy stuff used to move overland, like a big sled. But it's mainly for getting to the places nearby that you can't drive to or even walk to very easily. Anyone who's done it knows what I mean.

Chicago is an open door to the Canadian wilderness.

If you bunker in a big city you will be competing with the rats to eat your neighbors. You will be prey the moment your door opens. I'll take my chances on the water/shoreline boundies.

[Jeeps]

Should I stay or should I go now???

Bunkering down in a city does not seem like a good idea, hundreds of thousands
if not millions of people stuck in a place with absolutely no logistics. (worst case scenario)

If you live in a city, your BOB will only work if you have a place to go. Friends
or family in a rural setting that know you are coming in an emergency.

I am blessed to live within running distance of the Adirondacks and have two Uncles who
have camps in the mountains. I can get to them by way of rural roads for the
most part.

Bug out Bags are very important if there are snags encountered on your way
to safety. But regardless, you need a place to go to.