what can be done with reciever flaking on post 64 Win 94's??
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what can be done with reciever flaking on post 64 Win 94's??
My circa 1972 Win 94 has a bit of that horrid flaking on the reciever the post 64's are famous for. Short of utilizing a gunsmith's hot blue tanks, what can a fella do? G96 cold blue wasn't the answer!! LOL
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Re: what can be done with reciever flaking on post 64 Win 94
They will not even take a gunsmiths hot blue. They come out redish color. They might take a rust blue. Some things you gotta live with.---------------Sixgun
Re: what can be done with reciever flaking on post 64 Win 94
Yep.Sixgun wrote:Some things you gotta live with.---------------Sixgun
Do not scrub it. Oil it and wipe it and it might not grow too much. Case hardening takes OK.
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Re: what can be done with reciever flaking on post 64 Win 94
Sixgun wrote:They will not even take a gunsmiths hot blue. They come out redish color. They might take a rust blue. Some things you gotta live with.---------------Sixgun
Well thank you for the reply. I'd hate for their to be an avenue to undertake out their that I didn't know about. I will research rust blueing....
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Re: what can be done with reciever flaking on post 64 Win 94
I had a similar vintage receiver that I used in one of my puzzle projects. There was no flaking, but there was no finish left on it either. I buffed it down and browned it. I didn't strip what bluing was on the rest of the components and just browed over it.
The gun came out with what looked like a well earned patina on an old gun that had seen honest use.
This is what I started with.
The gun came out with what looked like a well earned patina on an old gun that had seen honest use.
This is what I started with.
Re: what can be done with reciever flaking on post 64 Win 94
Duracoat or similar should work fine.
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Re: what can be done with reciever flaking on post 64 Win 94
Sand it down and polish the metal... then send it off the Turnbull's Restorations or to Classic Guns, Ltd.. Both say they can replicate the orginal Winchester finish. If you have the polishing done, stripped the gun to the bare frame, the refinishing is not terribly expensive... as long as you can work with their scheduling.
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Re: what can be done with reciever flaking on post 64 Win 94
Win94,
I took a 1975-vintage Model 94, that looked like this:
I sanded it, with progressively finer grits of wet-or-dry sandpaper, until I got to 600 grit. I then degreased it, and used Birchwood - Casey Super Blue on it. I applied several coats, then I put the receiver in boiling water, to neutralize & set the bluing. The results are not spectactular, but give a "used, but cared-for" appearance:
Shawn
I took a 1975-vintage Model 94, that looked like this:
I sanded it, with progressively finer grits of wet-or-dry sandpaper, until I got to 600 grit. I then degreased it, and used Birchwood - Casey Super Blue on it. I applied several coats, then I put the receiver in boiling water, to neutralize & set the bluing. The results are not spectactular, but give a "used, but cared-for" appearance:
Shawn
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Re: what can be done with reciever flaking on post 64 Win 94
I have one that looks similar , thought maybe sand and polish and then have a simple engraving , and a real silver plat job over that to show the re leaf ......
Re: what can be done with reciever flaking on post 64 Win 94
That came out pretty good Hagler.
I have heard that hot blue can work, but it takes either special blueing salts, or higher temp, or both to get the color right. What Hagler did isn't bad at all, compared to what they can look like. The best cold blue I've used to far has been the Brownells stuff, I forget the exact name, its a light blue liquid. It's been much better on everything else, it may work with good surface prep on the 94's with the odd receivers.
Warming the metal seems to help with any cold blue.
I have heard that hot blue can work, but it takes either special blueing salts, or higher temp, or both to get the color right. What Hagler did isn't bad at all, compared to what they can look like. The best cold blue I've used to far has been the Brownells stuff, I forget the exact name, its a light blue liquid. It's been much better on everything else, it may work with good surface prep on the 94's with the odd receivers.
Warming the metal seems to help with any cold blue.
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Re: what can be done with reciever flaking on post 64 Win 94
Here's someone who says he is able to hot blue plated receivers:
http://gunblue.homestead.com
WINCHESTER MODEL 1894
Winchester 1894 receivers between 2,770,000 and 5,024,957 (1964-1981) were machined from a graphitic steel casting and will not accept normal blueing. To make it more confusing, serial numbers 3,185,692 to 3,806,499 (1968-1972) were black chrome plated, and 3,806,500 to 5,024,957 (1972 -1981) were iron plated.
I can hot blue all of these, but must first grind off the plating. The shiniest finish that can go on these is 400 grit ( about factory).
RECEIVERS ONLY $120.00
BARRELED ACTIONS $190.00
http://gunblue.homestead.com
WINCHESTER MODEL 1894
Winchester 1894 receivers between 2,770,000 and 5,024,957 (1964-1981) were machined from a graphitic steel casting and will not accept normal blueing. To make it more confusing, serial numbers 3,185,692 to 3,806,499 (1968-1972) were black chrome plated, and 3,806,500 to 5,024,957 (1972 -1981) were iron plated.
I can hot blue all of these, but must first grind off the plating. The shiniest finish that can go on these is 400 grit ( about factory).
RECEIVERS ONLY $120.00
BARRELED ACTIONS $190.00
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Re: what can be done with reciever flaking on post 64 Win 94
The iron clad receivers will take a good CCH treatment. This is my 1979:
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Re: what can be done with reciever flaking on post 64 Win 94
Thank you all for your replies. I very much appreciate the time taken. I will maybe research a home rust blueing process as I do not want to take the chance of a long turnaround time from a gunsmith and have to go without during our hunting season which starts first week of Sept. Thank you all once again.
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Re: what can be done with reciever flaking on post 64 Win 94
Hagler wrote:Win94,
I took a 1975-vintage Model 94, that looked like this:
I sanded it, with progressively finer grits of wet-or-dry sandpaper, until I got to 600 grit. I then degreased it, and used Birchwood - Casey Super Blue on it. I applied several coats, then I put the receiver in boiling water, to neutralize & set the bluing. The results are not spectactular, but give a "used, but cared-for" appearance:
Considering what you started with and what you ended up with..... Eye-Think you did a great job!
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Re: what can be done with reciever flaking on post 64 Win 94
I have done a few with bake on BBQ paint for my customers, stands up pretty well.
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Re: what can be done with reciever flaking on post 64 Win 94
They can be hot tank blued according to Brownells. The process has to be modified some though.
One of the books "Gunsmith Kinks" by Brownells tells how it is done. I have that set of books but don`t remember witch one contains that info.
That said, they also can be plated. Dull hard chrome looks nice on them IMHO and would be a quick turnaround if you do the disassemble and prep work.
http://www.mahovskysmetalife.com/
One of the books "Gunsmith Kinks" by Brownells tells how it is done. I have that set of books but don`t remember witch one contains that info.
That said, they also can be plated. Dull hard chrome looks nice on them IMHO and would be a quick turnaround if you do the disassemble and prep work.
http://www.mahovskysmetalife.com/
Re: what can be done with reciever flaking on post 64 Win 94
That looks great. Where did you have that done?Griff wrote:The iron clad receivers will take a good CCH treatment. This is my 1979:
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It was done back in 1989 by a fellar in Wyoming, since retired. It's a true bone & charcoal CCH. He used a steel block inside the reciever to keep it straight and true... I had the lower tang and forend cap done to match, but didn't think about the buttplate or the lever at the time... I wanted some contrast with a regular blue. None of the metal was highly polished, just to about 1,000 grit. The barrel is pretty flat, but there are no reflections, even in bright sunlight. That photo wasn't very sharp, here's a couple that're better.Model 52B wrote:That looks great. Where did you have that done?Griff wrote:The iron clad receivers will take a good CCH treatment. This is my 1979:
It is my favorite mdl 94, and if you can't tell, love showin' it off!
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Re: what can be done with reciever flaking on post 64 Win 94
Has anyone simply polished these receiver and then waxed or sprayed with clear lacquer to make a "Silver Boy" look?