Losing IQ points by the minute...

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:29 pm

The things we do for our communities...

I am in hour 4 of 9 standing around a Highschool "wrestling meet", surrounded by babbling, self absorbed, incoherent teens and their parents/coaches.

It won't be long and I might actually think the article on Pg 54 of this month's issue of "handloader" was written by someone knowledgable, rather than a hack who has declared that "Bear Spray" is better in the woods than a heavy .357...

Of course, he didn't actually pick a decent load or bullet (or OEM cartridge made by say, Grizzley or Buffalo Bore), no, that wouldn't support his position.

What a maroon... but my brain is slowly turning into pudding, so maybe I'll come around to his way of thinking.

Not.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:33 pm

You need a firewall...

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:39 pm

You just summed up why I never went into music education.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:39 pm

I'd be behind one (a fire wall or three) if I wasn't the EMT on duty and am forced to be in the thick of things...

What makes grown men and boys want to watch other boys grab each other's butts and hump utterly escapes me...

(and the surrounding innane banter of the HS girls and the "Wrestling Moms" makes me weep for what is left of our country...

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:40 pm

Must be a wrestler thing.....

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:41 pm

Was a time with the likes of Jordan, Keith, Skelton, and many others that you could have faith that they had the experience to back up their words. Today, most of the "gun" writers need a rest, a bazillion power scope, and a remotely operated trigger to even hit the target. Their experience amounts to but a thimble (then again, they likely don't know what a thimble is) full of the old masters.

Sorta like the kid in the gunshop last Wednesday who tried to tell me that "you've got to have a laser on your Glock 30 or you won't be able to hit anything." Gee, and here I thought those bumpy things on the slide were all I needed.

octagon · Post by **octagon** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:54 pm

Ted I just know by your response that you just never wrestled...

JerryB · Post by **JerryB** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:55 pm

A couple of years ago my grandson we raised bought a Karr 40 cal. the "clerk" cold not understand why he did not want the laser left on the gun. The clerk told him he had to have it on the gun so he coild hit what he would shoot at. My grandson told him that for 200 buck take it off because he would be using the sights to shoot at a man if he had to and if he could not hit a man with that gun's sights his grandpa would kick his butt anyway. The clerk took the laser off.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:01 pm

Raised the boy right Jerry,
good for you.

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:47 pm

octagon wrote:Ted I just know by your response that you just never wrestled...

Lucky guess.

Canuck Bob · Post by **Canuck Bob** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:32 pm

I'm a 60 year old Dad with my little Angel Daughters 10 and 12. I feel your pain. I attend soccer games all the time and really enjoy the time with my kids. The only thing worse than most kid's bad manners are there parent's. Sadly though the social engineering system that bans competition in classrooms doesn't prepare kids for the real world a jobs. Sports does have some lessons worth teaching.

It has been an education in making an old dog learn new tricks. They were right it ain't easy!! Sometimes Mom and Dad seem to be the only voice of reason they hear! And I know more about tweener idols than a grown man should it seems. Plus I get to go to 3D animated movies, I love them!!

The real shocker in Canada is hockey rink behavior. I suspect football for kids in some places like Texas is the same. Fiercely serious business sometimes at the kids expense!

I always secretly smirked at wrestling but not wrestlers, they were far to tough to make fun of! Even the little guys were tough as nails and moved like cats. In that sense like a real good safety, run like lightening and hit 150 pounds over their weight all day long!

ollogger · Post by **ollogger** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:57 pm

I thought as far as the handloader mag goes that maybe my brain was going to mush
now im sure it aint that far gone, so when they want my money for the next few years
Im sure ill forget to send it to them

OI, not sure I could do what your doing

ollogger

crs · Post by **crs** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:06 am

Ollogger - WRT Hand Loader and Rifle magazines,
IMHO, only one of each per year is worth reading, so I look them over from time to time on the racks at Cabelas or such, and only purchase one if it contains something of interest not printed before.

This is not a criticism of the magazines, but merely reflects that I have been reading outdoor and shooting magazines since I was a teen ager and that was a long time ago.

400short · Post by **400short** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:29 am

I frequently travel in bear country on horses and mules. Occasionally alone. I carry a big bore hand gun and know how to use it. For years I didn't think much of the bear spray option. Discussing this with a friend one time, he set a scenario where a clear shot was impossible, perhaps if the bear was in the midst of a crowd or on someone. What then? Also, I have shot enough game to know that a fatal hit is frequently not instantly fatal. The only guarantee of instant incapacitation is a central nervous system hit. Can you do that first time, every time in the blink of an eye under stress? There are times when working, carrying that extra weight is very inconvenient. I have recently begun to carry spray as well as or instead of a gun because I find that FOR ME, each has a place, and can complement each other. Give each man his due, and allow him to make the best choice for himself without ridicule.

Respectfully submitted,
Bill

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:10 pm

crs wrote:Ollogger - WRT Hand Loader and Rifle magazines,
IMHO, only one of each per year is worth reading, so I look them over from time to time on the racks at Cabelas or such, and only purchase one if it contains something of interest not printed before.

This is not a criticism of the magazines, but merely reflects that I have been reading outdoor and shooting magazines since I was a teen ager and that was a long time ago.

Unless they are reviewing a new bit of equipment, or weapon, I don't think there is a magazine topic that has not been written about. 20 Years ago, and back, I noticed that the Gun Gods wrote the same stories about every two year....(Yes, I know.....45 Colt CAN be loaded up beyond the .44 Mag

)

jnyork · Post by **jnyork** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:45 pm

BlaineG wrote:
crs wrote:Ollogger - WRT Hand Loader and Rifle magazines,
IMHO, only one of each per year is worth reading, so I look them over from time to time on the racks at Cabelas or such, and only purchase one if it contains something of interest not printed before.

This is not a criticism of the magazines, but merely reflects that I have been reading outdoor and shooting magazines since I was a teen ager and that was a long time ago.
Unless they are reviewing a new bit of equipment, or weapon, I don't think there is a magazine topic that has not been written about. 20 Years ago, and back, I noticed that the Gun Gods wrote the same stories about every two year....(Yes, I know.....45 Cold CAN be loaded up beyond the .44 Mag )

I quit the gun mags years ago for the same reason, same old same old. I swear they simply reprint previous articles from 5-10 years ago and call it good. "Which is best, 45ACP or 9MM?". " How to shoot accurately over 100 yards" "150 grain or 180 grain bullets for .30-06?" "Is the .338 WinMag enough gun for Pronghorns?" etc etc. Nothing new since about 1965 or so, if then.

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:15 pm

I subscribe to several of the "better" gun magazines. There are none of them that will please everyone. That said, Handloader is by far my favorite. Better than EBR`s cover to cover!

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:28 pm

TedH wrote:
octagon wrote:Ted I just know by your response that you just never wrestled...
Lucky guess.

Good grief.

Think some must have been picked on in school.
Toy toy time

Wrestling is for stand up dudes.

octagon · Post by **octagon** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:31 pm

You do a lot of speculating, wrongly so. At 6'2", and 270 lbs, I don't recall ever being picked on. You tend to antagonize many folks on this forum with what you appear to think are witty comments. You seldom seem to gel with the normal camaraderie that unites most guys on this forum where people are asked to be polite. Your many issues that you have with members here shows your lack of respect for your fellows. I offer as an example, your recent comments that 70 percent of people that rent in your area are trash. I find this comment tells me all I need to know of your character.

In approximately ten years as a member on this forum, I have never made an enemy that I am aware of. I find that on the rare occasion that I respond to your snippy comments, it is a monumental waste of time.

Streetstar · Post by **Streetstar** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:43 pm

madman4570 wrote: Wrestling is for stand up dudes.

Yep -- I remember when I got out of the Army and moved home, my brother had progressed into quite a wrestler --- at 120 pounds, he'd spar with me and tie me into knots (I was more like 200 )
-- takes a lot of dedication, and the smaller wrestlers routinely would run times on the track that would humiliate the cross country squad as well

And don't knock the wrestling/soccer moms OI, some might be single and hot to trot

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:54 pm

madman4570 wrote:...Wrestling is for stand up dudes.

Well, it's for roll-around-on-the-floor dudes anyway...

Of course I'm not dis'ing the kids who participate. Hell, most of 'em wrestle cattle too (something I have a great deal of respect for). I just have issues with the whole "sport" of "wrestling" at the HS level.

I know the history of Greek ("Greco Roman") wrestling, and find the whole thing creepy and pornographically Gay.

I've also had the opportunity to laugh at the whole absurdity of the situation where a HS GIRL sued & got permission to wrestle and the boys thought the same butt-humping moves they do to each other were too "sexual" and "embarrasing" to do to a 140-lb buff girl. It's "sexual" to do it to a girl, but NOT "sexual" to do the same thing to a boy? Obviously there's some logic classes needed...

But, each to his own. I'll stick to other forms of wrestling that don't include spandex & obscene body positions (or insane, screaming coaches & parents).

(Sorry if I seem strident, but I've just spent 12 hours over 2 days being forced (by my own stupid sense of Public Duty) to watch something I consider logically insane and morally repugnant. If you like male-male "wrestling", whatever. But consider this: If an adult male was ever caught "wrestling" a minor in public ... how long would it be before he would be in jail? I hate double standards, and this one is being "taught" in schools.)

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:03 pm

Streetstar wrote:...

And don't knock the wrestling/soccer moms OI, some might be single and hot to trot

Eeeewww...

Between the fat ones and the ones who look like "Mrs Violet Beauregard" - "Wrestling-Mom"/"ancient cheerleader wannabe"...

Ewwwwww...

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:08 pm

Madman once again you are wrong, I was never picked on either. I went to a private parochial school where we treated each with respect. Something you are sorely lacking in your character. You seem to be one of those guys that's always right, and you can't rest until you do your best to convince everybody else what idiots they are for having an opinion different than yours. I'm sure you could out box Mike Tyson, make more money than Bill Gates, bench press a small Buick, and have the best time telling everybody how great you are. I usually skip over your rambling, incoherent blather, and will continue to do just that. Actually, I might just make use of that ignore button for only the second time in my history here, before someone starts talking about crossbows again.

Streetstar · Post by **Streetstar** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:42 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:
Streetstar wrote:...

And don't knock the wrestling/soccer moms OI, some might be single and hot to trot
Eeeewww...

Between the fat ones and the ones who look like "Mrs Violet Beauregard" - "Wrestling-Mom"/"ancient cheerleader wannabe"...

Ewwwwww...

Mrs BEauregarde is pretty hot ! -- LOL -- I am unabashedly in favor of the cheerleader type, -- even when they turn 40 -- LOL

That's why the world works well sometimes though , I don't have competition from guys like OI for cheerleader types -- and he doesn't have competition from guys like me for his type --- so at some point, life takes on a beautiful symmetry and there's one or two of the other sex out there for all of us !

SteveR · Post by **SteveR** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:05 am

Old Ironsights wrote: (and the surrounding innane banter of the HS girls and the "Wrestling Moms" makes me weep for what is left of our country...

Funny no matter where you go, it's always the same. Looks like TV is a better spreader of propaganda than the, Tea Party, Constitutionalists, Ron Paul party people like you can change.

Maybe you might think a bit on what I said, sometimes people quit hearing your message, due to the delivery.

Steve

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:29 am

OI,

I have the same exact attitude to high school groping and fondling .... 'er wrestling as you do. I couldn't stand to even be in the auditorium to watch in high school.

Anyway, I remembered back to then, not easy at my age, and realized how times have changed. Back when I was in HS we didn't have EMTs on duty for every little thing. No police either. If they were needed, we'd call 'em and they'd trot out and do their thing.

Without all this protection, how did we ever survive?

Joe

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:50 am

To be fair, a bad "throw" can cause a serious enough injury that having a Coach deal wit it is a Bad Idea... particularly a Neck/Cervical injury. So IMO, even though I can't stand the "sport" (My HS "Letter" was in SHOOTING) I do think that having Volunteer EMS on hand isn't a bad thing. Good PR for the Dept too... as long as I keep my mouth shut... which is why I vent here.

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:54 am

octagon wrote:You do a lot of speculating, wrongly so. At 6'2", and 270 lbs, I don't recall ever being picked on. You tend to antagonize many folks on this forum with what you appear to think are witty comments. You seldom seem to gel with the normal camaraderie that unites most guys on this forum where people are asked to be polite. Your many issues that you have with members here shows your lack of respect for your fellows. I offer as an example, your recent comments that 70 percent of people that rent in your area are trash. I find this comment tells me all I need to know of your character.

In approximately ten years as a member on this forum, I have never made an enemy that I am aware of. I find that on the rare occasion that I respond to your snippy comments, it is a monumental waste of time.

My man I just speak the truth. Can't help if you find it "harsh"

Can you read ?? Can you understand ?

Who the he## are you to tell me because of what I posted above to a reaction of some above comments stating to the effect that wrestlers have somehow a liking to some possible homosexual act ??

Here, if you brain can absorb read:

What makes grown men and boys want to watch other boys grab each other's butts and hump utterly escapes me...

Must be a wrestler thing.....

If you take my comments too harsh to that sh## , too bad son, grow up.

ps, Just because you are 6' 2" 270lbs (or were you that then)?

doesn't mean squat.

Most the real husky fellers that size didn't even make our team. Coach said you gotta guit spending too much time watching TV and drinking Pepsi and at least make 5 mins of a workout??

That wasn't snippy--was it?

Let me tell you know that you opened up a can of stuff.
I am proud I stay in shape. Just like some of the dudes on here are proud of whatever.
I am a nice guy. I don't start fights with people but I sure don't take a liking to disrespect either.

What I do find amazing is 99.9% of the time when we go out for whatever (dinner,dancing,just have a drink)
It is almost always some little pencil sized dude or some coach potato big fat dude that just can't stand to see someone who takes care of one self.
I pay/paid my dues for what I got . I did it, its none of your snot, what you do for who, my take--who cares?

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:11 am

I'm not a wrestler and I've only got this to say on the subject.

Grappling and ground fighting are foundational fighting skills.

A man who neglects his education in those areas does so at his peril.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:27 am

FWiedner wrote:I'm not a wrestler and I've only got this to say on the subject.

Grappling and ground fighting are foundational fighting skills.

A man who neglects his education in those areas does so at his peril.

True... but then, all the effective FIGHTING moves are "illegal" in Greek "wrestling".

Nerve Blocks, Joint Locks, whatever... all "illegal". All that is left is ritualized gay rape.

Even "MMA" prohibits what is effective - even when the move causes no lasting injury - preferring the telegenic blood and dynamics of brute pummeling.

Fie on the lot. I'll stick with Aikido, PPCT and Krav.

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:43 am

TedH wrote:Madman once again you are wrong, I was never picked on either. I went to a private parochial school where we treated each with respect. Something you are sorely lacking in your character. You seem to be one of those guys that's always right, and you can't rest until you do your best to convince everybody else what idiots they are for having an opinion different than yours. I'm sure you could out box Mike Tyson, make more money than Bill Gates, bench press a small Buick, and have the best time telling everybody how great you are. I usually skip over your rambling, incoherent blather, and will continue to do just that. Actually, I might just make use of that ignore button for only the second time in my history here, before someone starts talking about crossbows again.

I do not think I am God, Tyson, or actually a bad a## (well the BA maybe just a tad)

Everything I have stated I have done.You dudes kill me, is it that frigin much

OMG
If because I played sports in school, yes I took Martial Arts for 7 years

good lord shouldn't have ever said it? and yes I absolutely love weight training/hiking and the rare occasions I daring to mention that makes you feel negative about you well bro guess you gotta do what ya got to do?? Why the weights/why wrestling/why Martial Arts ?? why actually shooting a gun?
Because I love sports that its up to myself "it is or it isn't. Don't get me wrong, I like team sports and like the teammates. I favor the its no excuses its on me deal though.
That crossbow deal, was I hung up on that issue ??? Yes
I just could not and honestly still can't fathom for the normal guy shooting an accurate scoped crossbow on a bench how can that not be more accurate than a regular bow shooting offhand??
But guess some of you dudes can ?? cool

But again, because of one self being sheltered or whatever just can't deal with any time physical sports??? or comments feel kinda bad for ya! Did at least play kick the can I hope?
Just curious Ted, what actual competitive HS sports did you compete in ? ( I went to a private parochial school) around here that would be Tennis or Bowling? Serious too! and only against other dinky parochial schools at that?

For some of you dudes , No shooting, no group size pics, but I benched 5 sets of 225lbs @ 15reps today---does that make me a conceded a##?

He## I actually might make you a better dude! Just do it!

Guess that phrase kinda pi##ed me off a tad too though?
I am in hour 4 of 9 standing around a Highschool "wrestling meet", surrounded by babbling, self absorbed, incoherent teens and their parents/coaches.

Since that phrase was not something to the effect of " boy last night there was some adults and some younger people "in the crowd" that were really disruptive and causing a scene ?? Instead of the "all inclusive deal" meaning such as all in general??

Oh, it wasn't meant that way ??

But lets not cut down people
All that is left is ritualized gay rape.

Gotta fess up---Ok,Ok, its Actually, when someone comes to my house I say use the basement door.
But before I let them enter I say how much can you bench and if they say I say lets see?
If I think they are pussies it stops there show them the door and tell em "go take a hike"

I guess if your a Dope head---won't like me
I guess if your a fat lazy couch potato ----won't like me
I guess if your a anti-gov world ending dooms dayer---won't like me
I guess if your a small little sqeaky guy that for some dang reason just don't like big weight lifting dudes---won't like me
I guess if your a bible thumper thinking only your religious views are it----won't like me
I guess if you just can't stand to hear anyone doing something that makes you feel like you failed yourself in life ----won't like me
And when your sitting there with a lady if have one, and while your rambling she glances over and smiles at me with my tight black tee,snug Levis, and back cut Boa cowboy boots and smiles at me while uttering in your direction though distracted ah ha.---not much chance for me either.

Don't like me for what I am----------------------cool, cause I do and most who ACTUALLY really know me do too.

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:45 am

J Miller wrote:OI,

I have the same exact attitude to high school groping and fondling .... 'er wrestling as you do. I couldn't stand to even be in the auditorium to watch in high school.

Joe

Joe,

I absolutely mean NO disrespect to you, but do you think if you did sports in HS,College, and did some type of physical training after you would not have all your issues?
I keep remembering that sad video of you trying to ride that bike couple years back and remember thinking how sad!

I am not trying to be a smart a## you guys.
But most you dudes kill me that are over 40 or 50 on here.
God forbid you try lifting weights or something extremely physical. Honestly.
Only thing stopping you is you!

I am not superman. It is just when will people want to help themselves.
A dude shows up, he is 25 big dude too.
Can't even lift ONCE what I use as first warm up weight. Yes 200lbs.

Then on here, I hear oh my aching this, my aching that???
Going to the doctors my arm hurts??? WTF

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:25 pm

Ummm...

I'm 45. I'm a 180lb Firefighter & EMT. I occasionally Lift in our Firehall Weight Room. I practice carrying (and climbing ladders wit) 75-150 lb rolls of hose regularly. I carry 10gal of water on my back in a CaF unit while dragging hoseline, tools and occasionally chainsaws & fuel to fight wildfires. My USFS "Red Card" requires that I be able to hump a 45lb pack for 3 miles in less than 45 minutes (no running allowed). My day job has me moving 349kg rolls of blank newsprint throughout the day.

I think I've got the strength training thing covered.

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:39 pm

madman4570 wrote: Just curious Ted, what actual competitive HS sports did you compete in ? ( I went to a private parochial school) around here that would be Tennis or Bowling? Serious too! and only against other dinky parochial schools at that?

Again, your assumptions show exactly what I meant in my previous post.

If you really need to know, I played football and baseball. We played all the public schools, there wasn't any other parochial schools around, and one of the public schools we played was the biggest HS in the state. My freshman year we were state champs in football, so there was nothing dinky about us. Most of the team was big old farm boys that spent their summer bucking 100 lb bales of alfalfa, including me. I was one of the smallest guys on the team at 5'11" 185 lbs, but I could run.

Keep on rambling if you wish, this has obviously touched a nerve and got your panties in a wad, but I'm done here.

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:49 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:Ummm...

I'm 45. I'm a 180lb Firefighter & EMT. I occasionally Lift in our Firehall Weight Room. I practice carrying (and climbing ladders wit) 75-150 lb rolls of hose regularly. I carry 10gal of water on my back in a CaF unit while dragging hoseline, tools and occasionally chainsaws & fuel to fight wildfires. My USFS "Red Card" requires that I be able to hump a 45lb pack for 3 miles in less than 45 minutes (no running allowed). My day job has me moving 349kg rolls of blank newsprint throughout the day.

I think I've got the strength training thing covered.

OI,

You can see where the gay, humping,raping,fondling thing cranked me up some being that was one of my top sports activities I was involved in since age 6 ??

Did the "volunteer" fireman thing from 1976-1997 and also ran their "contest team" and yes not easy deal physically or emotionally.
What really set me off besides that was the "must be a wrestling thing" without the kidding.
It is funny how with certain people on here it only goes one way? Not meaning you. I thing actually you are a stand up guy!

I do tend not to let things drop easy, bad flaw I guess. Must be all the years the older bros were holding me down spitting in my mouth or tingling me till I about passed out. I told them might be younger but soon that sh##will cease. It did and they gave me a wide birth.

Guess I just do things different. example its about 12 degrees here,wind constantly @ 20-30mph and I broomed 2" of snow off a 300ft driveway and parking lot. Could have started the Grizz but that stuff makes you hard and I will have time for that when I am 80

Just can't stand lazy people on the couch all day eating chips and drinking pop then telling me when I do something I am being all Bad A##

I have tried on here to help people including you with your job. Miller, RJohns and others. You guys have also helped me.
but if it kills people to mention I was in a Rifle Club,HS sports,Martial Arts, or a volunteer fireman back in the day.
I will stop and every one that find offense and or feel threatened by that can pound salt and pound it hard.

Will be the last time I give a sh## with any of them!

Would be like me saying, Fire fighters that like to handle a hose must be gay? That is why I stopped? would that crank you?
Or EMT's like handling stiffs because ???

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:12 pm

I like handling Stiffs and screamers because they don't puke on me in the back of the ambulance like Medicals tend to...

And I handle a hose well because mine is longer than yours.

(FWIW, I run "Second Nozzle" on the Double/reverse Lay at "Firefighter Challenge"/Convention. As such, I have to chase a moving firetruck while dragging hose "around the horn" as the Truck whips a U-turn and runs a Reverse Lay to the hydrant. Because of that, and the Tshirt awarded me depicting a dalmation with hose in mouth chasing a firetruck, I am known as the "Horn Dawg" amongst Statewide VFDs.)

Caint' upset me wit Firehall Rankout.

Seriously, and again, my beef isn't with the participants, but the whole "sport", from concept to implementation.

I'm glad you enjoyed your participation. I know the kids here do too. I respect their dedication.

That doesn't change the history or visual/physical reality of the "sport".

IMO it's not an appropriate physical outlet for teens. That doesn't mean I want it banned, just that I don't like it, and am not happy to have to visually observe, or treat, Teenage Boys whose spandex shows alltogether too much enjoyment of the last bit of physical contact with another boy...

Chris83716 · Post by **Chris83716** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:41 pm

With out a doubt, this is the most humorus thread so far for "cabin fever" season.

Chris

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:46 pm

Chris83716 wrote:With out a doubt, this is the most humorus thread so far for "cabin fever" season.

Chris

I aim to please... usually using a 2-1/2" hose at 150psi...

octagon · Post by **octagon** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:50 pm

MM, again, your wild speculations are WRONG. To be specific:
MM- "Can you read/ understand...if your brain can absorb..." I have two degrees in science, and Invited to international honor society.
MM: "too bad son"... I was raised by an honorable man(veteran) who espoused respect and good manners, not your son by a long shot...
MM: "I am a nice guy. I don't start fights.". This statement DIRECTLY contradicts the post where you offered to beat up an older forum member without use of your hands. I recall you stated you don't remember saying this, I can find it for you, and give you the name of the gentleman you offered to beat up if your memory needs a little jog.
MM:"6'2 and 270 lbs doesn't mean squat (or were you that then)". Do you think you are the only big person in the world who works out? I played all sports in high school/college and have lifted weights every since, taking a break after two torn shoulders, but lift now four days a week.

You seem to think people hold it against you for working out, karate,unparalleled shooting ability, etc. I don't think so, I think they tire of hearing about it over and over and over ...ad nauseum. Your lack of respect for members here (mentioned by several) has degenerated into plain old bad manners, as usually happens during one of your periodic hissy fits. Your self absorption and self admiration becomes tiresome. I think, like Ted, I will activate the ignore button on you, though I expect the Mods will bounce you and your megalomania out of here sooner or later.

As to your unparalleled shooting ability, you posted recently that you shot deer THREE TIMES, with complete pass though with the .223. That is SIX holes in a deer! I have never seen in 38 years of deer hunting, a deer shot three times...around here we don't call that a deer, we call it a pasta strainer!

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:24 pm

octagon wrote:MM, again, your wild speculations are WRONG. To be specific:
MM- "Can you read/ understand...if your brain can absorb..." I have two degrees in science, and Invited to international honor society.
MM: "too bad son"... I was raised by an honorable man(veteran) who espoused respect and good manners, not your son by a long shot...
MM: "I am a nice guy. I don't start fights.". This statement DIRECTLY contradicts the post where you offered to beat up an older forum member without use of your hands. I recall you stated you don't remember saying this, I can find it for you, and give you the name of the gentleman you offered to beat up if your memory needs a little jog.
MM:"6'2 and 270 lbs doesn't mean squat (or were you that then)". Do you think you are the only big person in the world who works out? I played all sports in high school/college and have lifted weights every since, taking a break after two torn shoulders, but lift now four days a week.

You seem to think people hold it against you for working out, karate,unparalleled shooting ability, etc. I don't think so, I think they tire of hearing about it over and over and over ...ad nauseum. Your lack of respect for members here (mentioned by several) has degenerated into plain old bad manners, as usually happens during one of your periodic hissy fits. Your self absorption and self admiration becomes tiresome. I think, like Ted, I will activate the ignore button on you, though I expect the Mods will bounce you and your megalomania out of here sooner or later.

As to your unparalleled shooting ability, you posted recently that you shot deer THREE TIMES, with complete pass though with the .223. That is SIX holes in a deer! I have never seen in 38 years of deer hunting, a deer shot three times...around here we don't call that a deer, we call it a pasta strainer!

We'll see who gets bounced ?

You are totally wrong and I will correct you.

#1 I can tell by that statement about deer, I seriously question even if you even hunt? Two shots, third as stated prior was one of those as it lay with me standing over it dying a humane hurry up shot. A big adrenalin filled running buck, two .223 shots to put him down unthinkable.

And who is Mr. perfect hunter/shot here???

Your lifting

torn both shoulders etc. (sure,I bet you are lifting) why don't you pm me with a video and I will send mine back to you.
Never seen a deer shot 3 times?

In 38 years? wow! You probably never got many or you buds you hunt with?

You know what, If you can do what you say it ain't bragging.
Tell you what, Let's put up or shut up ???
To anyone on here. hey, one of you dudes might be the world's greatest archer???
I actually su## at archery cause I just don't do it much. Gave my Hoyt Super Slam to nephew to shoot in College. However, I will go down to my BIL and grab that cheap $300 little Horton crossbow he has with its cheap little scope and some arrows and we will do a 10 arrow grouping at 35yds. Now last time I even touched it was probably in 2012 ??? Twice.
If anyone on here with their compound offhand can match that cheap Horton group @ 35yds shooting from a bench I will give them $200
How bout if they don't ??? You up for it Mr. Archer? How if I will leave forum, if not you leave? Same with lifting?
I only shot it twice.

You see, the one who really is the rude yahoo is you. Never seen a deer shot 3 times ever???? great white hunter and worlds greatest shot.

Mr. white hunter with him here is how it goes-----as the big adrenalin filled 200+lb 8 point comes charging out of brush about close enough to jump on it and one .223 gets pumped into his chest, that great hunter as the buck is back up half stumbling,half rolling down bank. he says, nope no second shot needed cause I know I got him just know it and just let him go.

I thought I was bad!

Hey pard, send me that video so I can laugh too

! Let me guess 5 reps of 100lbs? after 30lb warm up of 3 reps?

Yep, Mr. white hunter!

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:57 pm

Also, you know how I know you do not know much about shooting ??

With all things considered equal from the compound vs the crossbow,
Just the fact that the crossbow is on a shooting table AND THE REST IS DEAD SOLID or heck even with it resting atop a deer stand support rest you really expect someone standing wriggling around with a bow can match it if both are even close to the giving skill of each weapon shooting 10 for 10

When you can put ALL 10 shots offhand with your bow in a quarter at 35yds call me?
Can I ??? from what I have seen shooting it twice and the results "I think probably" but hey maybe Mr. white hunter can instead and simply send me on my way!

Bet, ya too since you are always a one shot drop better shooting an open sighted rifle standing offhand than shooting a scoped rifle on a bench with sand bags.

Same frigin difference!

What am I going to do when winter eases up and I miss this stuff so much ?

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:03 pm

I pretty much don't pay much attention to madman4570 unless he is offering exceptionally poor advice.

First, he clearly is one of those guys who grew up as a bully and never got over it, thinking that size equals right, and gives him the right to push others around. I'm not impressed.

Second, he is like many people who judge others only by what is important to them. Requiring people to show him how much they can bench press before he lets them into his home, and kicking them out if they don't meet his standard? Really? MM4570, either you are lying, or you are one of the meanest, most petty people I have interacted with, and surely have no true friends; only others like yourself who will sit around with you as you stroke your grotesquely swelling egos.

Third, he often offers very poor advice, personal attacks on others, and and generally is unpleasant in most of his posts. If this is not enough, he call into question other leverguns members reading comprehension skills, when his posts show the same coherence, grammar, and skill with the English language that one might expect from running alphabet soup through the blender with the lid off. When MM4570 puts fingertip to keyboard, the chances that he will produce a well-composed, thoughtful dissertation are about equal to the chances of an explosion in an Indonesian toy factory turning out fine Swiss watches.

I would expect someone who strives for the highest personal excellence and achievement in every area of his life, as madman4570 claims he does, to expend just a little effort to master the language that he so eloquently slaughters.

Finally, we have to understand that he is from NY. I lived in NY for two years. There are some great people who live there. There are some people who are well educated, despite the very poor education system they have there. There are people who have taught themselves or their children to be polite and well mannered.
Unfortunately there are more people who do not. People like MM4570 used to stop their cars, walk across the paddock, and scream at me for building fences differently than they did. So I changed the way I built fences and my fences looked like theirs, wobbling drunkenly across the rock outcroppings and getting squeezed out of the wetter areas by the frost every year, right? Not hardly. I kept building fences the way we learned in Alaska and while people yelled at me, I ignored them. While I worked to repair a perfectly serviceable old barn, people stopped and told me how stupid I was for not tearing it down, burning it, and building a new one. People told me how stupid we were for repairing and running older tractors. We ignored them and bought their equipment at auction when they couldn't pay the bills.
People told me that milk snakes milk the cows and that getting bedding hay on the back of a cow caused lice to spontaneously generate.

In madman4570, I see the same haughty ignorance, the same lack of educated thought, the same small, petty certainty that all other people are inferior in some way, the same stubborn inability to recognize that someone somewhere may have a better idea.

Usually, I skip over his posts or at the most get a laugh out of his astonishing butchery of the English language. I am not offended by his treatment of me; I have dealt with many people like him in my life. I have leaned that it is not worth my time to be offended by such petty, insignificant people.

Madman4570, I must say that I am greatly offended by your treatment of others on this forum. I have come to respect almost everyone who posts here. Even if I disagree with someone, I still respect the person, respect the opinion, and recognize the fact that I might be the one who is wrong. It is clear that many people who post here are more experienced in many ways than I am, have more skill than I have, and different skills, experience, and knowledge. I would bet that the same is true for you, if you ever reached the point that you could recognize and admit it.

But you cannot admit it. Do you really think you are superior to everyone else, or do you see you inferiorities and attack those who are better than you in an effort to camouflage your own failings?

You continually accuse others here of not actually shooting, just posturing on the internet, yet your own posts identify you as the most likely candidate on this forum for being an internet commando. In one of my jobs I deal with internet marketing and reputation. I deal with a lot of internet tough guys who, given a computer and an internet connection become God's gift the the special forces community, instead of the sad, inconsequential, lonely, inexperienced and unskilled people they are.

You accuse others, who you do not know, of being wimps, of being short, of being skinny, of being small, as if it would make any difference in the world if it were true. I know small, skinny guys who would tear you apart if you messed with them - I can almost guarantee it - no matter how big you are or how much you can press. In other words, I'm not impressed.

I don't have to prove anything to you. Neither does anyone else on this forum. We don't have to post groups (how do I know you don't make yours with a pencil?). We don't have to tell you how much we can bench press. We don't have to, because we honestly don't care what you think of us. In my experience, those who actually walk the walk don't even bother with the talk. Those who have proved themselves to themselves have no need to prove anything to others. Those who find it necessary to brag on themselves all of the time, who have to tear down others, who have to claim that they are better are the ones who are just talkers. In my experience, people who talk like you do are the fakes, the sad little wannabes who think that what they wish the were is somehow better than what they could actually make of themselves if they just had the motivation. They are the ones who think that if they can accomplish one thing in their life, it will make them a better person than everyone else. They are what you look like to us.

You have physically threatened people here. You have bean rude in the extreme to people I consider friends, though I have never met them. There are other forums filled with people like you. This is not one of them. You would feel right at home on one of those forums, bragging on yourself and stroking the baseless egos of others like yourself. I would suggest you find one of these forums and make yourself at home there.

On the other hand, you could take a good look at yourself, and start working on the failings and defects in your life and character; you might be able to become the kind of person that normal people could actually like. Who knows, you could easily become one of those here that I consider a friend.

It won't happen while you insult those I respect.

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:31 pm

7.62 Precision wrote:I pretty much don't pay much attention to madman4570 unless he is offering exceptionally poor advice.

First, he clearly is one of those guys who grew up as a bully and never got over it, thinking that size equals right, and gives him the right to push others around. I'm not impressed.

Second, he is like many people who judge others only by what is important to them. Requiring people to show him how much they can bench press before he lets them into his home, and kicking them out if they don't meet his standard? Really? MM4570, either you are lying, or you are one of the meanest, most petty people I have interacted with, and surely have no true friends, only others like yourself who will sit around with you as you stroke your grotesquely swelling egos.

Third, he often offers very poor advice, personal attacks on others, and and generally is unpleasant in most of his posts. If this is not enough, he call into question other leverguns members reading comprehension skills, when his posts show the same coherence, grammar, and skill with the English language that one might expect from running alphabet soup through the blender with the lid off. When MM4570 puts fingertip to keyboard, the chances that he will produce a well-composed, thoughtful dissertation are about equal to the chances of an explosion in an Indonesian toy factory turning out fine Swiss watches.

I would expect someone who strives for the highest personal excellence and achievement in every area of his life, as madman4570 claims he does, to expend just a little effort to master the language that he so eloquently slaughters.

Finally, we have to understand that he is from NY. I lived in NY for two years. There are some great people who live there. There are some people who are well educated, despite the very poor education system they have there. There are people who have taught themselves or their children to be polite and well mannered.
Unfortunately there are more people who do not. People like MM4570 used to stop their cars, walk across the paddock, and scream at me for building fences differently than they did. So I changed the way I built fences and my fences looked like theirs, wobbling drunkenly across the rock outcroppings and getting squeezed out of the wetter areas by the frost every year, right? Not hardly. I kept building fences the way we learned in Alaska and while people yelled at me, I ignored them. While I worked to repair a perfectly serviceable old barn, people stopped and told me how stupid I was for not tearing it down, burning it, and building a new one. People told me how stupid we were for repairing and running older tractors. We ignored them and bought their equipment at auction when they couldn't pay the bills.
People told me that milk snakes milk the cows and that getting bedding hay on the back of a cow caused lice to spontaneously generate.

In madman4570, I see the same haughty ignorance, the same lack of educated thought, the same small, petty certainty that all other people are inferior in some way, the same stubborn inability to recognize that someone somewhere may have a better idea.

Usually, I skip over his posts or at the most get a laugh out of his astonishing butchery of the English language. I am not offended by his treatment of me; I have dealt with many people like him in my life. I have leaned that it is not worth my time to be offended by such petty, insignificant people.

Madman4570, I must say that I am greatly offended by your treatment of others on this forum. I have come to respect almost everyone who posts here. Even if I disagree with someone, I still respect the person, respect the opinion, and recognize the fact that I might be the one who is wrong. It is clear that many people who post here are more experienced in many ways than I am, have more skill than I have, and different skills, experience, and knowledge. I would bet that the same is true for you, if you ever reached the point that you could recognize and admit it.

But you cannot admit it. Do you really think you are superior to everyone else, or do you see you inferiorities and attack those who are better than you in an effort to camouflage your own failings?

You continually accuse others here of not actually shooting, just posturing on the internet, yet your own posts identify you as the most likely candidate on this forum for being an internet commando. In one of my jobs I deal with internet marketing and reputation. I deal with a lot of internet tough guys who, given a computer and an internet connection become God's gift the the special forces community, instead of the sad, inconsequential, lonely, inexperienced and unskilled people they are.

You accuse others, who you do not know, of being wimps, of being short, of being skinny, of being small, as if it would make any difference in the world if it were true. I know small, skinny guys who would tear you apart if you messed with them - I can almost guarantee it - no matter how big you are or how much you can press. In other words, I'm not impressed.

I don't have to prove anything to you. Neither does anyone else on this forum. We don't have to post groups (how do I know you don't make yours with a pencil?). We don't have to tell you how much we can bench press. We don't have to, because we honestly don't care what you think of us. In my experience, those who actually walk the walk don't even bother with the talk. Those who have proved themselves to themselves have no need to prove anything to others. Those who find it necessary to brag on themselves all of the time, who have to tear down others, who have to claim that they are better are the ones who are just talkers. In my experience, people who talk like you do are the fakes, the sad little wannabes who think that what they wish the were is somehow better than what they could actually make of themselves if they just had the motivation. They are the ones who think that if they can accomplish one thing in their life, it will make them a better person than everyone else. They are what you look like to us.

You have physically threatened people here. You have bean rude in the extreme to people I consider friends, though I have never met them. There are other forums filled with people like you. This is not one of them. You would feel right at home on one of those forums, bragging on yourself and stroking the baseless egos of others like yourself. I would suggest you find one of these forums and make yourself at home there.

On the other hand, you could take a good look at yourself, and start working on the failings and defects in your life and character; you might be able to become the kind of person that normal people could actually like. Who knows, you could easily become one of those here that I consider a friend.

It won't happen while you insult those I respect.

What can you bench ???

Listen, This all started for the comments about wrestlers and their parents attending having some type gay perversion?? and my response to it. Just a simple yes or no will do.
I never threatened anyone. Two times I posted something to the effect with one being a guy that actually I like and simply said I would challenge the dude to a friendly one on one sparring if he wanted to spar with myself being a little handicapped somewhat to just see what's up. Actually who knows? I might get wiped out and shown ---see?

Now, the second was with a guy who recently called me a "Dick" and I simply said since I am going out to a wedding this summer there he could take pleasure in calling me it to my face.
It is just that simple.

People are proud of what they accomplish. I am very proud of what I have done with my life and my man I have a lot of friends.
I can see however the level of your mental skill thinking that when ever someone comes to my home I do the bench deal

In the Profession world bud will match what you have done any day of the week. The typing/ verbiage deal sure on this tiny phone I just type it like I do, cause honestly that for myself just works.

I still cannot fathom how you dudes get all threatened by someone who lifts weights and took Martial Arts for years.
I do not think I am the best shot, toughest person,best person, or whatever.
But if what little I have done threatens you, dude feel sorry for ya!

Provide a actual threat on this Forum I have made, even one! Or my friend you are the one who better clean his act up!

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:35 pm

Wow....All we need here is BigSky puffing up, and You Know Who selling cans of pop for $5.....

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:41 pm

madman4570 wrote: What can you bench ???

You know, when I was in college, I had a roommate that was into that Mortal Kombat video game. All he and his friends did was play that stupid game. They based their entire social structure, how they viewed other people, their own egos, and everything in their life based on who was better at playing that stupid game.

Do you know what? You are the same. How sad.

Don't blame your total inability to write a coherent paragraph on your phone. If you expect us to believe that, you are just insulting us.

I have nothing to prove to you. What I have to say I already said.

I feel sorry for you. Hope you can become something better.

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:46 pm

7.62 Precision wrote: You have physically threatened people here.

Dude is accusing myself of having made a physical threat. Where I come from that is a big deal.
I will say this however with those words being written as he did I might just want my wife in the Legal Profession to think if that is I guess you might say "Legal" ??

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:52 pm

madman4570 wrote: I will say this however with those words being written as he did I might just want my wife in the Legal Profession to think if that is I guess you might say "Legal" ??

In English, please?

86er · Post by **86er** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:42 pm

What's this topic about? Handloader Magazine? Wrestling? Offense posts? Ah, crud. I can't keep up with it. Where's the gun stuff?

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madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:47 am

Now you are talking.
God, I am a good looking dude ain't I ??? Finally you get it.

Can I print your post and put it on my dresser mirror ??? I am right now playing Carly Simmon's song "Your so Vain" and performing a combination of muscle flex, sanchin, all while speaking Sindhi.

Can you tell me another one? please? Wait gotta fix the disc is stuck on about you,about you, about you.
Yep, let me look in the mirror again, my God,

I am one clean cut good looking all American kid!

Guys want pics of me flexing? Or how bout one with just a smile?