New 1886 Trapper

[Streetstar]

I was perusing 1886's and 1895's on GunBroker (Thank you NoahZark) - when i saw this


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =398720165


Apparently this is another "Davidson's Special"


What do you guys' think ?

I love short, trapper length barrels , but in my eyes, something looks a bit "off" about this one --- short barrels look more proportional with a full length mag tube and a shorter piece of forearm wood ---
The Marlin's seem to pull off the short sawed off look a bit better than the Winchesters

But who knows , i will be paying attention to the CDNN and J&G sales in the next year --- they may be blowing these out at cost soon enough like they seem to be doing with the run of 1885 "Trappers" (1885 being another rifle that looks a bit odd with a 16" tube)

[vancelw]

I would like that gun better with a full length tube, straight grip, and shotgun butt.

Oh wait...except for the shotgun butt, it sounds like I want a Browning SRC I do, of course.

Glad to see stuff like that being made, even if it does have a redundant safety

[7.62 Precision]

I agree, I think that barrel length needs a carbine forend. I think Winchester must have originally agreed, too, hence the existence of the carbine for end on the original shorter length rifles (carbines).

I have looked at some of the Italian 1886 clones, and some are pretty nice. I think that would be the way I would tend to lean if buying a modern 1886 now, and couldn't find a Browning I liked. My Japanchester '86 is pretty nice, though, just had to get rid of the tang safety.

[Streetstar]

I agree, I think that barrel length needs a carbine forend. I think Winchester must have originally agreed, too, hence the existence of the carbine for end on the original shorter length rifles (carbines).

Yes -- i believed they "phoned it in" a bit when speccing this one out, as it looks a bit mis-matched , but like i said -- i'll keep my fingers crossed for an $800 bargain if CDNN gets ahold of them like they did the 1885's

Somewhat related to our original convo on Doc AJ's thread though, i was actually looking for original 1895's and 86's though -- 1895's have gone down a bit in price -- i can actually afford one if i wanted a 30-40 , or a re-blued one

[Streetstar]

I had to look ---

no leverguns right now (unless this is considered a levergun) --- but a 28" barreled 1885 in .375 H&H does look appealing -------- however, .375 being a classic African cartridge, who in their right mind would go after dangerous game with a single shot? (probably plenty, i'm sure)

They have plenty of the Chapparall 1876's for sale cheap, but i have heard those are a little hit or miss, quality wise

http://www.cdnnsports.com/1885-375h-h-s ... xooQfldVlw

[.45colt]

Boy, now that is a stupid Lever Gun with ALL the features I don't want in a TRAPPER....A Browning SRC... yep all day long.. ....... maybe those Guys who thought that Winnie it up are possum trappers....it won't matter if it goes "click" when they drop the rebounder. sorry I just can't take it no more. .

[Buck Elliott]

"Whiskey gets blamed for a lotta things it didn't do..."

[kaschi]

Whoever hatched this idea must have been the same guy who came up with that idea of chambering their 1895 in 270 Winchester. Remember that one?!?!?! All they need to do is continue making the old school standard stuff and we will continue to buy it!

PS @ Buck: I loved your last comment!!!

[KWK]

It's much too sawn off looking to my eyes. I agree with vancelw that the pistol grip looks out of place. Why did they saw off just one cartridge length from the magazine? I like the looks of a half mag, but I don't see the point in that job.

[Griff]

If folks think a .30-30 has too much BARK in a 16" barrel... think about this 45-70 for a second...

[86er]

I'd cut the crescent stock to a flat butt and add a recoil pad. Other than that, I could live with it, although not ideal to me.

[Streetstar]

If folks think a .30-30 has too much BARK in a 16" barrel... think about this 45-70 for a second...

The "tactical" crowd routinely fires off .308's in 16" barrels. and 7.62/39 and 5.56/223 out of 10" barreled AK and AR pistols (i had an AR pistol --- fireballs out the muzzle were as big as a pumpkin ) -- not to mention the big boom from various rifle caliber Encore pistols - (ouch)

[Griff]

If folks think a .30-30 has too much BARK in a 16" barrel... think about this 45-70 for a second...

The "tactical" crowd routinely fires off .308's in 16" barrels. and 7.62/39 and 5.56/223 out of 10" barreled AK and AR pistols (i had an AR pistol --- fireballs out the muzzle were as big as a pumpkin ) -- not to mention the big boom from various rifle caliber Encore pistols - (ouch)

I know... once fired a cylinder full of factory .45-70 from a BFR... that's "BIG, Friendly Revolver, n case you aren't familiar...

[Streetstar]

This is what they should have done --- been researching internet photos on these things a bit ---- I'd prefer a shotgun butt for a big boomer like this too --- but the pistol grip is A-OK with me

Top one is a "real" Miroku Winchester takedown cut down to 20" --- bottom one is the Chiappa "Trapper" with an 18.5" barrel --- although it has a heavy octagon barrel , the longer mag tube looks much more proportional than the latest factory Winchester offering i posted a link to above

Both of these are downright gorgeous rifles in comparison to the one i linked to above

[Buck Elliott]

This is what they should have done --- been researching internet photos on these things a bit ---- I'd prefer a shotgun butt for a big boomer like this too --- but the pistol grip is A-OK with me

Top one is a "real" Miroku Winchester takedown cut down to 20" --- bottom one is the Chiappa "Trapper" with an 18.5" barrel --- although it has a heavy octagon barrel , the longer mag tube looks much more proportional than the latest factory Winchester offering i posted a link to above

Both of these are downright gorgeous rifles in comparison to the one i linked to above

Either of these would work for me.. I prefer the 'rifle-style' fore end too.. It should be so easy to do it Right !!

At least, the chopped-up, 'new' offering isn't quite as bad as Mossberg's "tactical" 464...

[KWK]

Both of these are downright gorgeous rifles in comparison to the one I linked to above

True, but if you want a pretty short-rifle in .45, you need this, circa 1885:



Much shorter than 22", and any rifle looks weird to my eye.

[Buck Elliott]

Both of these are downright gorgeous rifles in comparison to the one I linked to above

True, but if you want a pretty short-rifle in .45, you need this, circa 1885:



Much shorter than 22", and any rifle looks weird to my eye.

Good looking '76... Reminds me of my 20", '73 Short Rifle..

[Rimfire McNutjob]

That 86 cries out for a shotgun or carbine butt. As others have mentioned, the short rifle looks right to me when the receiver is large like the 86, 76, or 73.

[firefuzz]

If folks think a .30-30 has too much BARK in a 16" barrel... think about this 45-70 for a second...

I agree. That things gonna kick like a highly irritated Missouri mule. The Miroku TD I had sported a 26" barrel and crescent buttstock and it was uncomfortable to shoot with anything more than trapdoor loads. The LW I replaced it with has a shotgun style buttstock and is much more comfortable to shoot with the same loads even tho it only has a 22" barrel.

If they get really cheap, $600 range, I might buy one for a rebuild project, other than that I'll pass.

Rob

[wvfarrier]

I love those winchester stocks but the rest.....ugh

[1886]

I saw one "in the flesh" today. Not for me. I like my B-86 S.R.C. 1886.

[Buck Elliott]

My '86 extra light punches out 405 grainers @ 1950 fps, with no discomfort to most shooters.. It probably weighs about the same as this "trapper..."

[3leggedturtle]

Well I happen to like the way it looks. Tho dont think I want to shoot a 350gr at more 1300-1500fps. I beginning to like light loads that penetrate and dont kick alot.

[Poohgyrr]

Well, I don't have any Lever in 45-70. So, I'd be happy to take any of these if my wallet was thicker. Looking that rifle butt has me thinking trap door loads would probably do fine for anything I'm likely to shoot.

A rebounding hammer can work but I'd prefer to replace it with what has worked fine for all this time.

[Griff]

Both of these are downright gorgeous rifles in comparison to the one I linked to above

True, but if you want a pretty short-rifle in .45, you need this, circa 1885:

Much shorter than 22", and any rifle looks weird to my eye.

Man, I'd LOVE that in a .40-65!

[Centennial]

I took a look in George Madis WINCHESTER BOOK there are lots of 1886's with shotgun butt plates.
Carbines with carbine butt plates, shotgun or rifle butt plates. It does look like even back then buyers were ordering shotgun butt plates. Rifle forend caps on non-full length magazines carbines too.
Page 329 top has a 22" barrel, straight stock, otherwise like the one for sale.
Page 330 has 14 1/2" short rifle sold for line gun to US CG.
Shortest photo I could find was 19" half magazine with rifle forend cap.

I like your idea about waiting till the price comes down and then I would customize it to a period steel shotgun butt plate and a hammer that just drops without rebounding.