Off Topic, but Remington is closing the H&R plant......

Jeff Quinn · Post by **Jeff Quinn** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:01 pm

Last week they cleaned house at Bushmaster, and now Remington is closing the H&R plant..............

Breaking News: Gardner Gunmaker To Close Print E-mail
Written by Livia Gershon
Monday, 07 April 2008
The parent company of Gardner gun maker H&R 1871 announced today that it will close the plant, which employs about 230 people.

Gardner Mayor Mark Hawke called the move by North Carolina-based Remington Arms Co. Inc. a "travesty."

â€œH&R has always been a profitable company,â€

Post by **Hobie** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:02 pm

So, does this mean the H&R products are gone?

Jeff Quinn · Post by **Jeff Quinn** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:05 pm

Hobie wrote:So, does this mean the H&R products are gone?

Who knows for sure?

RSY · Post by **RSY** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:06 pm

And, so, another domino falls...

scott

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:14 pm

Follow the Dollar.....The Remington Spartan line duplicates the H&R/NEF stuff.......The Roosky Stuff (which in my opinion is pretty good stuff) is cheaper for Remington, so....ergo sum

I hate this stuff

cas · Post by **cas** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:20 pm

Sadly no surprise. I wouldn't be shocked if Cerberus shut them all down one by one.

Comal Forge · Post by **Comal Forge** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:20 pm

You need to look further - at who now owns Remington...equity firms like Cerberus are famous for these kinds of stunts.

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:23 pm

That is sad indeed. Thanks for heads up Jeff.

2ndovc · Post by **2ndovc** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:26 pm

And how many people are out of work?

ursavus.elemensis · Post by **ursavus.elemensis** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:39 pm

Not to take an off-topic post too far off-topic, but I'm curious, what did they do to Bushmaster?

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:42 pm

I hate that! The Handi guns are wildly popular around here. I looked a the new Remington single shots on their website and they are fugly!

bigbore442001 · Post by **bigbore442001** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:56 pm

Also that part of Massachusetts has always had economic problems. It will add to the woes of the area. It makes me mad to see that happen. My Dad and I love our H&R shotguns. With our style of hunting we've taken a lot of deer and turkey with them. It would be wonderful to see them back in operation.

Personally I would not buy one of the Russian imports from Remington.I'd rather have something made by someone who lives and works in Gardner Massachusetts.

Jeff Quinn · Post by **Jeff Quinn** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:56 pm

ursavus.elemensis wrote:Not to take an off-topic post too far off-topic, but I'm curious, what did they do to Bushmaster?

Not sure yet, but they shut down the Marketing Department, getting rid of those who have been there for years and know Bushmaster the best, moving that to Remington.

jhrosier · Post by **jhrosier** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:58 pm

That's a darn shame. Businesses are fleeing the Peoples' Republic of Massachusetts. On the one hand, I can't blame them, but it still hurts to see manufacturing go down the tubes.
When the blasted liberals are not dancing in the blood of crime victims, they are having orgies on the grounds of closed plants.

A handi-rifle with a couple of extra barrels was on my short list.

I suppose I should be saving my money for a ticket out of this socialist hell-hole.

Jack

bigbore442001 · Post by **bigbore442001** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:09 pm

I'm with you on that. Soon as the cottage sells I can do something such as change residence from the Bay State. It has its good points but the bad seems to outwieght many of them.

Swampman · Post by **Swampman** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:28 pm

The Remington Spartan line is pure junk. I'll never own any of it.

http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/index.php/ ... 364.0.html

Cast Bullet Hunter · Post by **Cast Bullet Hunter** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:42 pm

Hobie wrote:So, does this mean the H&R products are gone?

From the first line of the press relese it would seem not.

MADISON, N.C., April 7, 2008 â€“ Remington Arms Company, Inc. ("Remington"), the United Statesâ€™ largest firearms manufacturer, today announced a strategic manufacturing consolidation move that will result in the closure of its Gardner, Massachusetts plant (â€œGardnerâ€

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:47 pm

"Strategic Move"... eliminating as many non LEO/GSA contracted operations as they can before one of the 3 anti-gun pols get elected POTUS and start making it impossible to sell off the assets...

Marlin's next.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:50 pm

jhrosier wrote:That's a darn shame. Businesses are fleeing the Peoples' Republic of Massachusetts. ...

AFAIC NO Gun MFG should stay in the PR Taxachusetts...

OTOH THey should be OPENING new plants in places like, oh, Gary IN or Detroit where there is lots of mothballed infrastructure and a Gun Friendly Legislature (if not city govt...)

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:51 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:"Strategic Move"... eliminating as many non LEO/GSA contracted operations as they can before one of the 3 anti-gun pols get elected POTUS and start making it impossible to sell off the assets...

Marlin's next.

Scary thought - but probably spot on...

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:54 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:"Strategic Move"... eliminating as many non LEO/GSA contracted operations as they can before one of the 3 anti-gun pols get elected POTUS and start making it impossible to sell off the assets...

Marlin's next.

Sprechen Zie English OI??????

Or, English for the acronym impaired?

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:02 pm

Well... watch for a sale on H&R parts @ Numrich!

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:12 pm

C. Cash wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote:"Strategic Move"... eliminating as many non LEO/GSA contracted operations as they can before one of the 3 anti-gun pols get elected POTUS and start making it impossible to sell off the assets...

Marlin's next.
Sprechen Zie English OI?????? Or, English for the acronym impaired?

Nein. Ich spreche nicht Englisch. Ich spreche Freiheit.

LEO - City/State/Federal Cops.
GSA - Government Services Agency - the Procurement arm of the Govenrment.
Pols - Politicians - in this case, McHillBama
POTUS - President Of The United States.

Jason_W · Post by **Jason_W** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:30 pm

And here I was all settled on buying a Remington 7600 as my next rifle. I'm not sure I want to release my money to a monopoly.

I wonder if this has to do with why it's taking H&R so long to send me my extra barrels.

LeverBob · Post by **LeverBob** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:44 pm

IMHO I think patience is in order. Global competition is eating out the heart of our manufacturing base (what's left of it). The big 3 (cars co.s)have posted big loses in the last two yrs. The gun industry is no different, they have to compete with companies worldwide. If they don't, they will fold. Investors do not put their money into losing propositions. They have to change too.

I have an inkling that they are only getting out of an unfriendly state. The tax base must be killing them. Similar to Kalifornia in politics, they, like anybody else, is looking for safe haven. Also, that they may have in mind a reintrodution of the line once they can streamline it & improve it with new manufacturing methods. Who knows for sure? If they can't turn a profit it will have to go.

I like H&R & NEF too. But, I will bide my time & wait & see. Like Marlin, I believe they were faced with a complete manufacturing overhaul & didn't have the millions that it would take to completely retool. Remington has the financial pull to make such an investment. H&R & NEF found safe haven with Marlin, perhaps they all will find safe haven with a good ol' company like Remington.

Perhaps, this is one of the only ways to keep them in the hunt...so to speak. What do y'all think boys?

LeverBob

old goat · Post by **old goat** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:15 am

...Two things to keep in mind.

...(1) This move is what many have been asking for, because of the firearms unfriendly attitude of the Mass. politicos. It takes away some of the taxes the politicos need to further their anti-gun BS. The people of Mass. elected the politicos, knowing their anti-gun stance, so now it's time to pay the price. And the price is jobs lost, and all that goes with it.

...(2) H&R, and their products, are survivors. The H&R Company went under once before, but they didn't stay down. That's the reason for two names ("H&R 1871" and "NEF") for the same basic product. Let's not bury them until we're sure they're really dead.

...old goat

bigbore442001 · Post by **bigbore442001** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:46 am

It really isn't accurate to label all of the people as anti gun in Massachusetts. The big problem is that the Greater Boston area has the political clout and tends to be anti gun. The politicians have a long history of granting jobs and favors in a form of socialism thus ensuring a secure vote.

As you go westward the state is more conservative. Gardner is one such area and as I stated before, seems to have economic problems.

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:23 am

I can see why one of my hunting partners has had a H&R 20ga Tracker II iron-sighted, rifled, slug gun on order for the last two months to no avail.

It looks like he'll be cancelling that order, and getting a refund of his 100% earnest money.

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:33 am

Old Ironsights wrote:
C. Cash wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote:"Strategic Move"... eliminating as many non LEO/GSA contracted operations as they can before one of the 3 anti-gun pols get elected POTUS and start making it impossible to sell off the assets...

Marlin's next.
Sprechen Zie English OI?????? Or, English for the acronym impaired?
Nein. Ich spreche nicht Englisch. Ich spreche Freiheit.

LEO - City/State/Federal Cops.
GSA - Government Services Agency - the Procurement arm of the Govenrment.
Pols - Politicians - in this case, McHillBama
POTUS - President Of The United States.

LOL

Thanks OI!

DPris · Post by **DPris** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:30 pm

Remington says it's just closing that plant & the lines will be in production "for years".
No need to panic yet.

Jason_W · Post by **Jason_W** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:35 pm

DPris wrote:Remington says it's just closing that plant & the lines will be in production "for years".
No need to panic yet.

Corporations tend to SAY a lot of things.

Sorry for the cynicism, but I feel you just can't trust big business.

Didn't Winchester swear up and down that they weren't going to shut down production in CT?

DPris · Post by **DPris** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:17 pm

OK Jason, YOU can panic.

Gave you info from my best source inside Remington, which I thought might be more useful than speculation & doomsday predictions this early in the game.

Denis

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:18 pm

I wasn't aware of such things then but didn't the textile industry do the same thing about 50 years ago or so?

They moved their plants from the unionized N.E. to the non union south.

It could be a move along those lines.

It also could be another form of gun control? Boy that does sound like a conspiracy doesn't it? Have some big global NWO mega corp come in and buy the company and just shut them down.

Jason_W · Post by **Jason_W** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:29 pm

DPris wrote:OK Jason, YOU can panic.

Will do

DPris · Post by **DPris** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:33 pm

Don't forget the beer. Beer adds a whole new dimension to panic.

Denis

Jason_W · Post by **Jason_W** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:38 pm

DPris wrote:Don't forget the beer. Beer adds a whole new dimension to panic.
Denis

Nah, I'm trying to slim down a bit. I want to be as fit as I am paranoid

Jason_W · Post by **Jason_W** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:40 pm

Rusty wrote: It also could be another form of gun control? Boy that does sound like a conspiracy doesn't it? Have some big global NWO mega corp come in and buy the company and just shut them down.

Even I doubt this. If your goal was gun control, why start by taking out single shot hunting rifles and lever action cowboy guns.

This is just a large corporation doing what a large corporation does: Consume all competition and corner a market.

To quote a bad, yet entertaining 80's movie "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!"

DPris · Post by **DPris** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:46 pm

If Slim=No Beer, I fear I shall never be slim again.....

Denis

Andrew · Post by **Andrew** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:23 pm

Hearing the news gives me the itch to go and get a couple.....dozen. I hate to hear stuff like this, but, I guess it's just business.

edwardyoung · Post by **edwardyoung** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:04 pm

DPris wrote:Remington says it's just closing that plant & the lines will be in production "for years".
No need to panic yet.

Remington shill

DPris · Post by **DPris** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:09 pm

Hi Edwardy. Where you been?
Ixnay on the illshay, some of these people may not know.

Denis

edwardyoung · Post by **edwardyoung** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:13 pm

Orrysay. Mum's the word.

I've been around. Not much to say lately, I guess. I'll try harder. I hope you are well.

DPris · Post by **DPris** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:50 pm

Good days, bad days, and day days.

Good to hear from you.
Denis

JP_TX · Post by **JP_TX** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:35 am

Y'know there is just no substitute for bad management's ability to destroy it's competition, just before declaring bankruptcy and bailing out with a golden parachute.

Marlin was a family business. It knew it customers. Now it is an asset to an arms conglomerate. I doubt the Marlin customer service will continue it's high attention to customer satisfaction for much longer.

Remember what happened to Harley Davidson when it was bought out by AMC. I sure hope it doesn't happen again with Marlin.