I NEED THE WISDOM OF THE GROUP.

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:39 pm

I need to buy a firearm. Now I usually buy on impulse as I browse my favorite shops. Sadly for almost a year nothing has spoken to me. I need to buy a firearm.

I need to buy a firearm. I'm looking at one of my safes and there's an empty spot. I need to buy a firearm.

I need to buy a firearm. I'm starting to suffer from buyer's remorse. Oh not the usual type, mine's from not buying a firearm. I need to buy a firearm.

I need to buy a firearm. So, folks help me out. Throw out suggestions I don't care how far out there they are. I really, really, really, really need to buy a firearm.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:43 pm

A short, light Shiloh. Sharps in 30 Gubment......

jdad · Post by **jdad** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:58 pm

Dude,
Here's some cool stuff to choose from.....
http://www.gunauction.com/shop/gunshop/jackthedog

harry · Post by **harry** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:56 pm

You really need to buy one of these:
http://www.szecseidoubleboltrepeater.ca/home.html#

jnyork · Post by **jnyork** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:09 pm

Got a Garand? Everyone should have at least one Garand. Get thee to the CMP website forthwith.

MrMurphy · Post by **MrMurphy** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:29 pm

Ruger Single-Six.

Streetstar · Post by **Streetstar** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:56 pm

jnyork wrote:Got a Garand? Everyone should have at least one Garand. Get thee to the CMP website forthwith.

Garand? M1A ? (this is assuming you have a suitable allotment of lever guns too--- if not, may i suggest an 1895 in 405 , the Teddy Roosevelt special ----- or a model 71 (1886) in 348 Win., ---- or , scale it back a thousand bucks or so and grab a 10/22 takedown -- tthere is an anniversary modeloutthere with a wood stock thatis darn cool

Early guide guns from 98 - 2005 or so are decent, and there are plenty of old model 94 Winnies that need rescuing. Make a project out of a late model AE , or a neglected pre 64

crs · Post by **crs** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:58 pm

Maybe just keep looking and one day the right firearm will speak to you; then you buy it.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:09 pm

jnyork wrote:Got a Garand? Everyone should have at least one Garand. Get thee to the CMP website forthwith.

We should start a 'Sticky' on "Classic Must-have Guns EVERYONE should own..."

There are lots of ones in that category (enough to keep even a wealthy collector busy buying stuff); Garands, Mausers, 1886's. 1894's, AR-15's, etc, etc, etc, etc....

jeepnik wrote:I need to buy a firearm. I'm looking at one of my safes and there's an empty spot. I need to buy a firearm.

You got it BAD, boy; you got it BAD...!!! (BTDT...

)

Last few years I've been driving home from the fun-shop, and ON THE WAY HOME have already started musing (more like planning/scheming) what the NEXT one needs to be. (...and yes, I said "needs" to be...). I don't think there is a cure.

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:44 am

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How 'bout a pristine Ruger Single-Six in .32H&R Magnum ?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =455622585

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7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:48 am

Do you have a Swiss K31? If not, you need one. They are well-built, accurate, and a very unique action, almost as fast to run as a lever gun. All the surplus ammo is match ammo, you can use the same bullets as a .308, and you can scope it easily, inexpensively, and non-permanently.

If you get one, check under the buttplate. Chances are good that you will find a tag with the name of the soldier it was issued to, his unit, and his address. People who write to the address often get replies from the soldier who carried the rifle.

Or if you want to take it a step further, get one of the sniper variants: http://www.swissdagger.com/k3143_sniper.htm

Sometime I will post some photos of my K31s. (The one in the caribou photo is now configured differently.)

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:00 am

While we are on the subject of swiss rifles, how abut some lever gun seasoning:

The Swiss were impressed with Winchester's 1866 levergun, but felt a bolt action would be better for military use, so they married the two designs.
The offspring was the Vetterli, the first bolt action repeater adopted as the standard issue rifle by any nation, and actually the first repeater that was standard issue for an army.

They are not expensive. You can still shoot them no problem.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:08 am

Really... I understand... and since it'd be doing something nice for everybody, and I seem to recall somewhere it's said they need help... buy a Colt SAA... you don't need anything fancy... but those are nice also... Just think... instant heirloom and "collectible"... you cannot go wrong. Just about any caliber will do... but remember... 45Colt! It's the classic... the one that made 'em famous... AND... falls in that category in SD thinkin'... it must start with a ".4" to be effective!

rossim92 · Post by **rossim92** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:12 am

how about a henry pump action in .22 magnum and octagon barrel, i want one to fill the last slot in my cabinet

wolfdog · Post by **wolfdog** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:38 am

jeepnik wrote: Sadly for almost a year nothing has spoken to me.

I guess that could happen, but it never happens to me.

Unfortunately they usually say yep you want me, nope you don't have the cash.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:44 am

Good photos of the Swiss thingy.

Flintlock!

N.

3leggedturtle · Post by **3leggedturtle** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:18 am

wolfdog wrote:
jeepnik wrote: Sadly for almost a year nothing has spoken to me.
I guess that could happen, but it never happens to me

Unfortunately they usually say yep you want me, nope you don't have the cash.

Jeepnik that happened to me me for almost 9 months. But I got over by stopping at every pawn, sporting goods or gun shop i saw.

PS go the Kittery Trading Post used gun pages. Should find something there to get your mind working on.

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:22 pm

7.62, agree on the K-31s. They handle like surgical instruments, and the trigger has to be the finest on any military arm -- EVER.
Oddly, I have a Vetterli coming next week.

Jeepnik: Not a firearm, but this might scratch that itch and give you something you can shoot year-round at home:

Click on the FAS pistols:

http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/

Panzercat · Post by **Panzercat** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:37 pm

Hadn't really considered a K31 myself. Looks like they only run just north of $300 at Classic. Ballistics of a .308... Hmmm... An AK pistol was next on the list, but...
Dang you enablers.

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:27 pm

The K31s are pretty neat. I saw that someone involved in manufacturing made a careful estimate one time and said that if the modern firearms manufacturer introduced the K31 today as a sporting rifle, retail price would have to be somewhere between $3500 and $4500, due to design, precision, and quality of manufacture.

The manual has several pages dedicated to care of the bore. All the bores I have seen are smooth and perfect and look like mirrors. The Swiss shooters attribute this to the care the took to care for the bores, and especially the fact that they cleaned and lubed the bores with grease.

The surplus ammo for these is all match-grade ammo. They have a match trigger. There are aftermarket triggers available, but why? With surplus ammo, I have shot some 1 MOA and 3/4 MOA groups with standard iron sights, which is really quite astounding. With a scope, a 1/2 MOA group is not uncommon at all. They can be scoped at the reciever or in a scout configuration, without any drilling or permanent alteration, for cheaper than you would pay to have a Mauser drilled and tapped for a mount.

The 7.5x55 case design is a more efficient design than the .308 case design, and while the 7.5x55 was said to be part of the inspiration for the military development of the .30-06, the case design may have been part of the inspiration for more efficient designs like the AI case designs.

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:35 pm

Panzercat wrote:Hadn't really considered a K31 myself. Looks like they only run just north of $300 at Classic. Ballistics of a .308... Hmmm... An AK pistol was next on the list, but...
Dang you enablers.

I you get one, I recommend avoiding or being careful about the Century imports. Century claims that they have to assign their own serial numbers in order to avoid possible duplicate serial numbers between different model/manufacturers, for instance, a German mauser and a Nagant revolver with the same s/n.

Anyway, first they put a small import mark under the barrel. They soon changed to a larger one on the side of the rear sight base, and now Century marks the whole left side of the receiver on K31s with multiple lines of text, or across the bridge at the rear of the receiver.

It is like they purposely include the most information possible and the fewest abbreviations in order to deface these rifles as much as possible.

K31s imported by RGS have very tiny, light STAMPED (not dot matrix) import marks on the side of the barrel - very nice.
SAMCO and M+M imported K31s have small import marks (dot matrix) under the barrel, where they are very hidden.
PW Arms hits the side of the rear sight, but it is not too deep, clean, and blackened, so it is not as bad a Century's.
Simpson's marks some of theirs on the barrel, some low on the side of the receiver, very small, clean stamp.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:01 pm

Let's start a separate K-31 thread.....We have to convince Jeep how to spend his money

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:06 pm

That's what I was doing!

I suggest this:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =456161530

wolfdog · Post by **wolfdog** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:41 pm

The Swiss made some cool rifles. My K-31 shoots almost as good as some of my Sweedes, but it does have the Century butcher import marks. My Vettterli was "sporterized" some time in the past, I wish I could find an original rear sight, and stock for it at a decent price. I have not converted for center fire yet but I will some time.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:54 pm

7.62 Precision wrote:That's what I was doing!

I suggest this:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =456161530

"Chambering: 10.4x38 (.41) Swiss Rimfire"
Man, that's being mean....

PriseDeFer · Post by **PriseDeFer** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:26 pm

I don't buy many, the last one was a Ruger New Vaquero Bright Stainless 5 1/2 inch 45 Colt. Practiced my draw earlier while watching Paladin, right now I'm backing up Cheyenne. Quite an entertaining piece. Ride the High Country.

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:03 pm

jdad wrote:Dude,
Here's some cool stuff to choose from.....
http://www.gunauction.com/shop/gunshop/jackthedog

Nice stuff, but I don't do auctions. One of the reason used gun prices are as ridiculous as they are is the advent of auctions.

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:04 pm

MrMurphy wrote:Ruger Single-Six.

Been there, bought that.

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:05 pm

Streetstar wrote:
jnyork wrote:Got a Garand? Everyone should have at least one Garand. Get thee to the CMP website forthwith.
Garand? M1A ? (this is assuming you have a suitable allotment of lever guns too--- if not, may i suggest an 1895 in 405 , the Teddy Roosevelt special ----- or a model 71 (1886) in 348 Win., ---- or , scale it back a thousand bucks or so and grab a 10/22 takedown -- tthere is an anniversary modeloutthere with a wood stock thatis darn cool

Early guide guns from 98 - 2005 or so are decent, and there are plenty of old model 94 Winnies that need rescuing. Make a project out of a late model AE , or a neglected pre 64

No Garand, but yes to the M1A. Hmm, that's two for the Garand so far.

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:11 pm

Fellas, the Swiss looks good, but like all military bolt guns they are for the right handed crowd. I've passed on '03s, 1917's, various Lee Enfields and so on.

wolfdog · Post by **wolfdog** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:37 pm

I didn't know your right arm was attached to the wrong shoulder. How's about a falling block single shot, maybe a Ruger #1 or #3, or mahaps one of these.
http://www.cdnnsports.com/1885-trapper- ... IJrIhstC1s

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:58 am

jeepnik wrote:Fellas, the Swiss looks good, but like all military bolt guns they are for the right handed crowd. I've passed on '03s, 1917's, various Lee Enfields and so on.

Swiss Products makes a really cool drop-in left hand conversion for the K31.

http://www.swissproductsllc.com
OR, you could just run it with your right hand, just like a right-hander runs a HK, FAL, AR-15, SCAR, you get the idea.

Shooting left-handed, the clamp-on scope mount is in the perfect position for you, as well.

I would just use the right-side bolt with my right hand if I were you - I prefer to run a bolt with my off hand usually.

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:28 am

Jeep, if you are a lefty, maybe you should be looking at a BSA Martini!

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:17 pm

Ji has a thread about turning his 10/22 into a quasi M1 carbine. I've thought about doing that. But someone posted a link to a M1 carbine looking .22 lr.

Looks like it could be fun. I'm going to see what I can find out about them. Maybe I just got bit. But keep those suggestions coming, I'm not adverse to buying more than one gun.

jdad · Post by **jdad** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:40 pm

jeepnik wrote:Ji has a thread about turning his 10/22 into a quasi M1 carbine. I've thought about doing that. But someone posted a link to a M1 carbine looking .22 lr.

Looks like it could be fun. I'm going to see what I can find out about them. Maybe I just got bit. But keep those suggestions coming, I'm not adverse to buying more than one gun.

Lefty huh...the Remington 551 or 552 semi-autos have shell deflectors and can shoot 22s,22l, & 22lr combined.

Marlin made the 99/989 M1/M2 carbines......they used to be $200 plinkers.

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:57 pm

Okay, it's all Ji's fault. I just bought the Citadel quasi M1 carbine in .22lr.

I feel better now. But, I still have an itch I can't scratch so, keep making suggestions.

Carlsen Highway · Post by **Carlsen Highway** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:21 am

When I get that feeling, I go and buy another .44/40 Rossi 92. I just got my fourth this weekend.

Other times, at the very least if there is nothing else, I will go and rescue/buy another old .303 Lee Enfield. Don't know why. Like adopting an old dog.

RustyJr · Post by **RustyJr** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:19 pm

I say get a Remington 870 Wingmaster in 20 Gauge. Make sure you get it with the 26" barrel. Oh, and since you said you needed to buy a firearm but didn't say anything about keeping it, you can ship it my way after it comes in

RustyJr

Shasta · Post by **Shasta** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:40 pm

I am a lefty too, so much so that all my right arm does is keep me from walking lop-sided down the street.

There are plenty of lever guns out there to choose from, but a modern copy of the 1876 Winchester or the 1886 Winchester should be high on the list.

If you want something fairly inexpensive (under $500) that is a real treat to shoot, get yourself a CZ Lux left-handed bolt action .22 LR. I bought one last year for NRA Smallbore silhouette shooting and I am very impressed with it.

If you want to spend a little more and shoot way out there, the left-hand Savage Predator bolt action rifle is available in several calibers and is a great gun for the money. I chose the 6.5 Creedmoor caliber to compete in NRA High Power Rifle silhouette, and it is the most accurate rifle I own.

If you are interested in the historical aspect of shooting, get a modern copy of the Winchester High Wall in .40-65. Mine is a Browning BPCR that I like very much. You can shoot either black powder or smokeless, but I have never used anything but black powder and cast lead bullets in mine. Knocking down a 50+ lb. steel ram target at 500 meters with iron sights is very challenging and very rewarding too!

Regardless of what you buy, if you don't already do so, start shooting in metallic silhouette competitions. There is a discipline for virtually any gun out there. I very much enjoy seeing the targets fall over when hit.

SHASTA

M. M. Wright · Post by **M. M. Wright** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:27 am

What really gives me "the itch" is an old Colt SAA that needs some TLC to put it right. I think "I can fix that" then it costs me to send it on a trip to Alan Hartan in Houston to have it put right. How many times have I done this? Too many. But it sure is fun and I always like the results. I tell people, (not my wife) that it is my calling to save these old Colts so I think that's what you should buy. It will get one out of circulation that might tempt me.

3leggedturtle · Post by **3leggedturtle** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:22 am

I dont know who posted it but the M1A1; would a be nice father figure to the to Citadel.

The left hand conversion for the Swiiss bolt, if only I had seen this a few years ago.

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:34 pm

http://www.providencetoolcompanyllc.com/rifles/

1894c · Post by **1894c** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:56 pm

how about something really "rare"...like a brick of .22 call ammo... :O

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