When it goes bad.

[williamranks]

http://verdenews.com/main.asp?SectionID ... leID=66752

And the video

http://verdenews.com/main.asp?SectionID ... leID=65300

[Blaine]

Anymore, and this is just my 2 cents after several visits, Cottonwood is turning into Phoenix Junior.

[.45colt]

About five miles away used to be a huge rolling meadow, part of a large farm. God's Country I thought as I passed it every day on the way to work.
Around fifteen years ago the land was sold to Wallmart. I won't go there at night.......

[mikld]

That's incredible. It took the police that long to gain control? And only one was shot? Geezee...

[williamranks]

That's incredible. It took the police that long to gain control? And only one was shot? Geezee...

Cottonwood PD is a different animal from most. The link is from Jan.

http://verdenews.com/Main.asp?SectionID ... leID=63946

[Booger Bill]

I would have to re watch that clip many times to give a honest opinion but at first blush I have to say the police let it get to "personal". When leo`s let it turn into a boxing match I think they were raised on too many "Walker Texas Ranger" episodes.

[SteveR]

I would have to re watch that clip many times to give a honest opinion but at first blush I have to say the police let it get to "personal". When leo`s let it turn into a boxing match I think they were raised on too many "Walker Texas Ranger" episodes.

It gets "personal" when one of the officers are shot. I have to give the cops credit, they really showed tremendous restraint in not shooting all the combatants.

Steve

[Griff]

Frankly, the lack of control from the outset by the officers is troubling. Sometimes, you just have mix it up and break out the zip-ties. They were too timid... and it got one of them shot.

[Blaine]

Most everybody these days thinks they are on the Jerry Springer show, or in Ferguson.....I don't like being around most people these day....If the feeling is mutual, so much the better...less work..

[SteveR]

Frankly, the lack of control from the outset by the officers is troubling. Sometimes, you just have mix it up and break out the zip-ties. They were too timid... and it got one of them shot.

darned if you or darned if you don't, the report the police received didn't sound like one where you need to send in 5 cars and 10 cops. The sergeant on scene called for back up as soon as the scene started to go bad. He tried to take control, but everyone one of those "people", would not obey any of the police directions to split up and stand down. As soon as it got worse all the cops were called. Hindsight is 20/20, they should have had all the cops there first, but then the cops would be looked at as to much force, and quite frankly, the call didn't sound like it was going to be an all out medley.
The combatants were totally out of control, they attacked police in uniform, they have no respect for laws or common curtsy, acting like animals.
I give the police much credit for acting calm and not giving any of these animals and chance to sue later on for police brutality.

Steve

[williamranks]

Frankly, the lack of control from the outset by the officers is troubling. Sometimes, you just have mix it up and break out the zip-ties. They were too timid... and it got one of them shot.

darned if you or darned if you don't, the report the police received didn't sound like one where you need to send in 5 cars and 10 cops. The sergeant on scene called for back up as soon as the scene started to go bad. He tried to take control, but everyone one of those "people", would not obey any of the police directions to split up and stand down. As soon as it got worse all the cops were called. Hindsight is 20/20, they should have had all the cops there first, but then the cops would be looked at as to much force, and quite frankly, the call didn't sound like it was going to be an all out medley.
The combatants were totally out of control, they attacked police in uniform, they have no respect for laws or common curtsy, acting like animals.
I give the police much credit for acting calm and not giving any of these animals and chance to sue later on for police brutality.

Steve

Don't make the mistake of thinking the PD was dealing with normal people. These people were trained in tactics.

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[SteveR]

Frankly, the lack of control from the outset by the officers is troubling. Sometimes, you just have mix it up and break out the zip-ties. They were too timid... and it got one of them shot.

darned if you or darned if you don't, the report the police received didn't sound like one where you need to send in 5 cars and 10 cops. The sergeant on scene called for back up as soon as the scene started to go bad. He tried to take control, but everyone one of those "people", would not obey any of the police directions to split up and stand down. As soon as it got worse all the cops were called. Hindsight is 20/20, they should have had all the cops there first, but then the cops would be looked at as to much force, and quite frankly, the call didn't sound like it was going to be an all out medley.
The combatants were totally out of control, they attacked police in uniform, they have no respect for laws or common curtsy, acting like animals.
I give the police much credit for acting calm and not giving any of these animals and chance to sue later on for police brutality.

Steve

Don't make the mistake of thinking the PD was dealing with normal people. These people were trained in tactics.

https://secure.fox.com/proxy/www.foxcar ... e-released

You live there I assume, so do the cops have intelligence on these "people"? If so, then I take back my comments, if these "people", are known by the cops who responded, then the cops are 100% at fault for the way they handled the call.

So, are these "people" know then? Have they done things like this in the past that the police are aware of?

Steve

[Malamute]

I would have to re watch that clip many times to give a honest opinion but at first blush I have to say the police let it get to "personal". When leo`s let it turn into a boxing match I think they were raised on too many "Walker Texas Ranger" episodes.

They tased and peppered them several times, with little result other than they knew tactics to break the taser wires, and one large young man seemed to shrug off the pepper shots in his face. The mother and daughter kept getting in the middle of everything, I believe intentionally. The PD didnt know that those people had training in resisting, they were going in blind. That assessment came later as the video was reviewed in detail. They also didnt react much to numerous hits with collapsible batons in spots that should have gotten a response. The thing about the officer getting grabbed in the face, fingers in eyes and nose, wasnt by chance. It happened several times and with others also, I believe.

The walmart employee kept a couple of them busy enough, including the largish young man that shrugged off the taser hits and pepper in the face, that it gave a little breathing room to the police, otherwise it likely would have gone worse than it did.

I also think the police exhibited restraint under the circumstances. In the end, all things considered, it ended with much less injuries than it could have, on both sides. Seeing the slow motion detailed video breakdown, several more could have been shot, and with darn good reason.