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round balls
I have a few soft lead .69 roundballs, I'd like to find someone making them with hard lead, about where Marshall's alloy is. something less likely to go 'SPLAT' and more likely to go through.
Anyone have a link to such a product??
thanks in advance,
Anyone have a link to such a product??
thanks in advance,
. . . Grizz
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Re: round balls
Splat?
On stone or steel, maybe.
On flesh and bone. I don't think so.
On stone or steel, maybe.
On flesh and bone. I don't think so.
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Re: round balls
If you're shooting these aforementioned round balls in a rifle with a patch to engage rifling, then they should be dead soft. It is necessary that the lead be soft to let the warp and weave of the patch impress in the lead so the spin is positively imparted to the ball. Hard lead often times will be inaccurate because of this. I have recovered balls in the snow in the spring and close examination reveals the cloth imprinted where the rifling is. HTH. Les
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Re: round balls
You could always cast your own .
https://www.lymanproducts.com/brands/ly ... oulds.html
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Or maybe something here http://www.dixieslugs.com/products.html
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Re: round balls
Now that's interesting.....thanks for posting.....!Les Staley wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:39 pm If you're shooting these aforementioned round balls in a rifle with a patch to engage rifling, then they should be dead soft. It is necessary that the lead be soft to let the warp and weave of the patch impress in the lead so the spin is positively imparted to the ball. Hard lead often times will be inaccurate because of this. I have recovered balls in the snow in the spring and close examination reveals the cloth imprinted where the rifling is. HTH. Les
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Re: round balls
+1AJMD429 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:42 pmNow that's interesting.....thanks for posting.....!Les Staley wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:39 pm If you're shooting these aforementioned round balls in a rifle with a patch to engage rifling, then they should be dead soft. It is necessary that the lead be soft to let the warp and weave of the patch impress in the lead so the spin is positively imparted to the ball. Hard lead often times will be inaccurate because of this. I have recovered balls in the snow in the spring and close examination reveals the cloth imprinted where the rifling is. HTH. Les
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Re: round balls
I cast both roundballs and REAL bullets out of straight wheel weight and never had a problem with accuracy or loading, never shot much more than 50 yards tho. YMMV
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Re: round balls
Lee makes round ball moulds for cheap.
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Re: round balls
You sure you didn't mean to say "Lee makes cheap roundball molds that are inexpensive"
Lee 6 cavity molds are pretty decent quality but the one and two cavity jobs leave a bit to be desired . However one must take into consideration what gets for $20-25 .
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Re: round balls
I have the mold. I don't have time to use it. I do have time to order hard cast roundball boolits if anyone knows of anyone who sells them.
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Re: round balls
something like a 11/16" steel bearing ball might work....not as expensive as you might think.....i buy various sizes from ebay to use in smoothbore muzzleloaders......
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Re: round balls
Those lighter balls would have initially lower energy, and what there is would rapidly drop off over a short range. It's all related to sectional density. I'm willing to listen to arguments on that.
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Re: round balls
11/16 ball bearings = muzzle loader armor piercing ( you know for deer wearing vests)
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Re: round balls
William Charles Baldwin in his 1863 book AFRICAN HUNTING wrote of shooting alligators and sea cows with a seven to the pound gun which we can infer his meaning was crocodiles, hippopotami and a 7 ga. smoothbore......
seven to the pound sized balls measure .87" and weigh 1000 grains or 2.28 ounces......
in his own words :
" ....tried a lot of iron bullets i brought out with me; however, they did not answer at all, and i eventually threw them all away, as they were much too light and flew high, though they penetrated to a great depth."
iron balls of .87" weigh approximately 692 grs.
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Re: round balls
I use 17/32" steel balls in .54 and 28 ga. smoothbores.....They weigh 155 gr. and three of them, lightly patched over 70 gr. ff is not too stout and I have actually used 4 of them over 90 gr. in the t/c renegade .56.....
they fly high in some guns and low in others.....once regulation is doped-out, they pattern as well at 40 yds. as 6pointsika's 25 yd. 10 ga. buckshot photos.....
three or four 7/16" bearing balls might work in your smooth .45......
Think long and hard about it first... extracting stuck balls in case of a misfire would be nigh on impossible.....I only use them in guns that have proven first shot every time reliable......
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Re: round balls
Hmmm, it's if I forgets to powder first one day !Ray wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:22 pmI use 17/32" steel balls in .54 and 28 ga. smoothbores.....They weigh 155 gr. and three of them, lightly patched over 70 gr. ff is not too stout and I have actually used 4 of them over 90 gr. in the t/c renegade .56.....
they fly high in some guns and low in others.....once regulation is doped-out, they pattern as well at 40 yds. as 6pointsika's 25 yd. 10 ga. buckshot photos.....
three or four 7/16" bearing balls might work in your smooth .45......
Think long and hard about it first... extracting stuck balls in case of a misfire would be nigh on impossible.....I only use them in guns that have proven first shot every time reliable......
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Re: round balls
Cast your own round ball. You can melt lead on a cheap hot plate ( less than $20).
I used to know a guy who hunted with a .50 cal. And loaded with two balls and a healthy charge of 2f. They would print
Within a couple inches of each other at 50-75 yards.
I used to know a guy who hunted with a .50 cal. And loaded with two balls and a healthy charge of 2f. They would print
Within a couple inches of each other at 50-75 yards.
Re: round balls
I thought you needed brass balls for stuff like that.Ray wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:10 pm
William Charles Baldwin in his 1863 book AFRICAN HUNTING wrote of shooting alligators and sea cows with a seven to the pound gun which we can infer his meaning was crocodiles, hippopotami and a 7 ga. smoothbore......
seven to the pound sized balls measure .87" and weigh 1000 grains or 2.28 ounces......
in his own words :
" ....tried a lot of iron bullets i brought out with me; however, they did not answer at all, and i eventually threw them all away, as they were much too light and flew high, though they penetrated to a great depth."
iron balls of .87" weigh approximately 692 grs.
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Re: round balls
Hey ! I resemble that remark.....Chuck 100 yd wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:07 am Cast your own round ball. You can melt lead on a cheap hot plate ( less than $20).
I used to know a guy who hunted with a .50 cal. And loaded with two balls and a healthy charge of 2f. They would print
Within a couple inches of each other at 50-75 yards.
All of my 1-48" rifles shoot two balls, lead not steel, just as well or often better than just one......
I have a very heavy barreled .45 that shoots 3 of them (.440")
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Re: round balls
Read the book.....I think baldwin had a pair of them but he did not seem to be very bright in the brain department.....claybob86 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:28 amI thought you needed brass balls for stuff like that.Ray wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:10 pm
William Charles Baldwin in his 1863 book AFRICAN HUNTING wrote of shooting alligators and sea cows with a seven to the pound gun which we can infer his meaning was crocodiles, hippopotami and a 7 ga. smoothbore......
seven to the pound sized balls measure .87" and weigh 1000 grains or 2.28 ounces......
in his own words :
" ....tried a lot of iron bullets i brought out with me; however, they did not answer at all, and i eventually threw them all away, as they were much too light and flew high, though they penetrated to a great depth."
iron balls of .87" weigh approximately 692 grs.
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