federal bureau of prisons marked winchester 94?
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- Levergunner
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federal bureau of prisons marked winchester 94?
Hello,
I have come across a Winchester 94 marked F.B. of P. This marking seems to be for the federal bureau of prisons. This rifle has the crossed double cannon marked and has US property marked on it. Also has FBP marked under buttplate, Serial number dates to 1959. Honestly I believe it is a fake, were any of these ever marked for the FBP? Also why in 1959 would they issue lever action 30-30's when they have much better surplus(m1 carbine) laying around?
I have come across a Winchester 94 marked F.B. of P. This marking seems to be for the federal bureau of prisons. This rifle has the crossed double cannon marked and has US property marked on it. Also has FBP marked under buttplate, Serial number dates to 1959. Honestly I believe it is a fake, were any of these ever marked for the FBP? Also why in 1959 would they issue lever action 30-30's when they have much better surplus(m1 carbine) laying around?
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Re: federal bureau of prisons marked winchester 94?
maybe post your query here??? https://winchestercollector.org/forum/
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Re: federal bureau of prisons marked winchester 94?
Awsomepossum wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:06 pm
I have come across a Winchester 94 marked F.B. of P.
This marking seems to be for the federal bureau of prisons.
This rifle has the crossed double cannon marked and has US property marked on it. Also has FBP marked under buttplate.
Honestly I believe it is a fake, were any of these ever marked for the FBP ?
Yes.
According to “The Winchester Book” by George Madis (p. 442), these types of US marked ‘94s saw duty guarding the U.S. borders, defense plants, etc.
IMHO, with the hidden markings mentioned, it's the real deal.
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Re: federal bureau of prisons marked winchester 94?
They were also used to administer the death penalty. Gary Gilmore was put to death by firing squad using 94s.
http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/Gilmore.pdf
TomF
http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/Gilmore.pdf
TomF
Re: federal bureau of prisons marked winchester 94?
You consider the M1 carbine "much better" in what way exactly? A greater rate of fire and a higher magazine capacity perhaps, but with less accuracy.Awsomepossum wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:06 pm Also why in 1959 would they issue lever action 30-30's when they have much better surplus(m1 carbine) laying around?
M1 carbine: 110 grains bullet with muzzle velocity of 1990 fps
30-30: either 125 or 150 grain bullet with muzzle velocity of 2175 or 2390 fps
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Re: federal bureau of prisons marked winchester 94?
Alcatraz - Firearms Inventory (1948)
http://www.notfrisco2.com/alcatraz/charts/firearms.htm
Just because there is no listing for Winchester 94 here does not mean there wasn't some at other prisons but ……… well you make up your own mind. I just found this interesting.
http://www.notfrisco2.com/alcatraz/charts/firearms.htm
Just because there is no listing for Winchester 94 here does not mean there wasn't some at other prisons but ……… well you make up your own mind. I just found this interesting.
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Re: federal bureau of prisons marked winchester 94?
Given the choice as a guard the 1894 would be with me.
Generally once prisons are armed the budget does not include much $$$ for upgrading the arsenal.
Generally once prisons are armed the budget does not include much $$$ for upgrading the arsenal.
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Re: federal bureau of prisons marked winchester 94?
There were numerous Model 1894 Winchesters used by various state, and county prisons or jails. There were also those noted above that were used for Federal Prisons. Government rules state that items like guns being replaced by new guns are to be offered for sale to lower level state and local governments before being offered to the public. So often these firearms were passed down to state agencies, or county agencies if they wanted them. If the other agencies weren't interested, then the firearms were auctioned off to dealers who resold them.
But there are also numerous fakes! So before purchasing such a gun with markings, do yourself a favor and investigate all the provenance you can find first. Often these guns were purchased in certain serial number blocks, so they can be authenticated.
But there are also numerous fakes! So before purchasing such a gun with markings, do yourself a favor and investigate all the provenance you can find first. Often these guns were purchased in certain serial number blocks, so they can be authenticated.
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Re: federal bureau of prisons marked winchester 94?
"But there are also numerous fakes! So before purchasing such a gun with markings, do yourself a favor and investigate all the provenance you can find first. Often these guns were purchased in certain serial number blocks, so they can be authenticated."
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Re: federal bureau of prisons marked winchester 94?
Mmm... the fact that the government already owned millions of them collecting dust? Why buy new 94's?Nate C. wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:55 pmYou consider the M1 carbine "much better" in what way exactly? A greater rate of fire and a higher magazine capacity perhaps, but with less accuracy.Awsomepossum wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:06 pm Also why in 1959 would they issue lever action 30-30's when they have much better surplus(m1 carbine) laying around?
Slow is just slow.
Re: federal bureau of prisons marked winchester 94?
Key word is "government"!
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Re: federal bureau of prisons marked winchester 94?
I am quite curious about this '94, having worked for The Federal Bureau of Prisons and never having heard any mention of them. When I was a Correctional Officer (guard, hack, screw, turnkey, poeleece) we had a Model 70 '06 with Redfield sights, 2 M-1 carbines with 15 round magazines and 2 or more Colt .38 Spl. revolvers loaded with mil spec ball and either a Model '97 12 bore or a Model 12 12 bore in our towers. I hope someone can provide factual data on this. I do know that during WW1 Army units guarding the Spruce Railroad did carry Model 94's.
Bob
Bob