POLITICS -what do you think will occur if o---a is next pres

[donw]

do you think he will try to reinstate the assault weapons act?

do you think he will try to ban all handguns?

do you think the will try to ban all semi-automatic firearms?

based on the article in my american rifleman magazine, this current issue, i believe there's a good chance, from his voting/legislative record, that those attempts may occur.

[rjohns94]

probably legislation in all of those areas and more. not to mention the open door poilicy on our borders, opening dialogue with radical fundamentalist, pulling out of two wars allowing our considerable effort to be given over to the other side, not to mention the step back in social issues. He is running on change, and I haven't heard anything from the changes he is proposing (however vague) that I want to have.

[Pete44ru]

All of the above, unless Hillugly gets the VP nod, & later has him popped so she can get promoted.

[Hobie]

If she does that you know the racist-conservative-gunowner-religionists will get the blame and the same stuff will happen (short of out-right surrender in the war on terror).

[Gun Smith]

I think the election with a McCain - Obama race would be too close to call. I believe republicans have a better shot at winning against Ms. Clinton because of Bill C's perceived potential influence. That's what's scary to me. As far as her as Vice President, I don't see that as a ticket Obama wants. Who would you want to see as McCain's V.P.?

[Joe Reilly]

He won't try to block any of the legislation.

[ole pizen slinger]

If Obama is next President, the assalt weapons ban will pass with many more weapons added to the list, handguns will be banned, no more CCW plus the added below:

Let's hope these predictions do not come to pass..............
Stark Predictions . . .
What Would Happen If Obama Won
by Thomas G. Del Beccaro - May 20, 2008


The American system of Government, with its checks and balances, tends to restrict wide policy swings from one Presidency to the next. Over the broad spectrum of American history, the differences of the parties have not always been very pronounced.


Consider the Nixon years when social welfare spending jumped from just over 6% of the economy to over 10% largely at the behest of Republican Nixon. Such occurrences have fostered the words Demopublicans and Republocrats. Contrast that with the British system of Government which has produced broader policy swings when the Labour Party and the Conservative Party change roles.


A Barack Obama victory, however, will likely usher in a stark difference between the parties not unlike the election of Roosevelt in 1932 and Reagan in 1980. Very serious policy implications are likely to follow in just the first two years as the Democrats seek to capitalize on their new found power.


1. The House/Senate - Legislation. An Obama victory more than likely means that the Democrats will pick up 10 to 15 or more seats in the House and 3-4 in the Senate. The recent special election losses of House seats and a North Carolina Senate poll showing the incumbent Elizabeth Dole in a tight race forewarns of such an outcome.


a. Knowing that their own poll numbers are low - all the while understanding that the first two years of a Presidency are the most productive and that time may not be on their side, the new Democrat President and Congress will likely move quickly to push their agenda. Look for an ambitious legislative agenda with "progressive" legislation on health care, i.e. a huge leap toward nationalized health care, many labor friendly bills including a possible shortened work week, the elimination of secret ballots for union elections/formation, and more (as the Unions cash in after spending a projected $1 billion this fall on behalf of the Dems) as well as the tax increases referenced below - all in the first 100 days.


b. The only risk to such an agenda will be the fact that Obama has no management, appointment or policy experience - as a result, he may be slow getting out of the box and run into trouble with his appointments. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, however, will be ready with their agenda and may well have an exaggerated influence on policy the first year.


2. The Judicial Implications. In the first 2 years of an Obama term, Ruth Bader Ginsberg (75 years old) and John Paul Stevens (88) will unquestionably resign from the Supreme Court to permit a flush Democrat Congress to appoint like-minded activist judges to tenures likely to last 25 years or more. Justice Breyer (70) and/or Souter (68) may well follow suit, if not in the first two years, before the next election to ensure that a Democrat replaces them - remember Breyer openly professes a belief for an activist judiciary and probably won't want to risk another 8 year Republican Presidency. Justice Kennedy, now 72, may well have to resign during the 4 year term making it possible that a clear 5 – 4 majority for a liberal court could be ushered in for the next 25 years. That is not hyperbole, it is a distinct possibility.


3. The High Tax Implications. Obama has promised to “go after the wealthyâ€

[AJMD429]

do you think he will try to reinstate the assault weapons act?

do you think he will try to ban all handguns?

do you think the will try to ban all semi-automatic firearms?

based on the article in my american rifleman magazine, this current issue, i believe there's a good chance, from his voting/legislative record, that those attempts may occur.

...and you CAN COUNT ON the NRA and the vast majority of gunowners eagerly negotiating a "COMPROMISE" so that:

Only SOME semiautomatics will be banned.
Only SOME handguns will be banned.
Existing ones will be "grandfathered" in, to appease the stupid masses - and the strategy will work.

The issue has become like the old joke about arguing about the price with a madame; we've established that most gunowners will SELL OUT their freedom - the only question is the price.

Individuals like Osama (did I spell that wrong?) are NOT the problem; they've been around forever, like blizzards and rabid dogs, dangerous but obvious.

It is the "enemies within" who pose the worse threat - all the apathetic, spoiled, and willing-to-compromise-as-long-as-their-own-hobby-isn't-inconvenienced crowd who will ruin our society.

Our fellow gun owners will fail us. Is it that they don't have enough time (but they take days off to go hunting), or that they don't have enough money (but they buy those Leupolds and Brownings)...? No - 99% of our fellow gun owners are too lazy, and they don't have the integrity or the courage. That includes 90% of the NRA members who stand in the gun store where it is "safe" and gripe about the gun laws, but think that as long as they paid up their life membership thirty years ago they've done their duty.

[Jaguarundi]

do you think he will try to reinstate the assault weapons act?

do you think he will try to ban all handguns?

do you think the will try to ban all semi-automatic firearms?

based on the article in my american rifleman magazine, this current issue, i believe there's a good chance, from his voting/legislative record, that those attempts may occur.

All of the above!As the economy goes into the tank ,crime will increase.The socialist response will be even more gunlaws,taxes and welfare!

[O.S.O.K.]

The question that needs to be asked is this: "if these things do happen, what will I do about it?"

I personally do not find it acceptable for my country to go down the path of socialism and tyranny. This country was not founded on these principals and for good reason. They are destructive and lead only to pain and suffering.

I know what I will do. I have three children that will have to live in that world.

What will you do?

I hope it'll be "what will WE do"...

For now, I am going to be pushing for McCain's success. No, he's not the ideal candidate but he is miles above Obamination.

We can not afford even 1% of our votes going to Bob Barr for example.

I do NOT want to have to deal with the things listed up thread and I'm sure that we all feel that way.

[Grizz]

http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/ ... rm-america

hussein plans to destroy America.

[ole pizen slinger]

Two good questions. Since nobody wants Hillary or Obama--How many are going to campaigne for McCain? How many think their patriotic duty is done when they cast their vote?
ole pizen slinger

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

If Obama is next President, ......................................................................................................................snip
2. The Judicial Implications. In the first 2 years of an Obama term, Ruth Bader Ginsberg (75 years old) and John Paul Stevens (88) will unquestionably resign from the Supreme Court to permit a flush Democrat Congress to appoint like-minded activist judges to tenures likely to last 25 years or more. Justice Breyer (70) and/or Souter (68) may well follow suit, if not in the first two years, before the next election to ensure that a Democrat replaces them - remember Breyer openly professes a belief for an activist judiciary and probably won't want to risk another 8 year Republican Presidency. Justice Kennedy, now 72, may well have to resign during the 4 year term making it possible that a clear 5 – 4 majority for a liberal court could be ushered in for the next 25 years. That is not hyperbole, it is a distinct possibility.

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That's the one thing that scare hell out of me. Laws are made and un- made all the time but once the supreme court rules on it it's the law of the land and can take generations to change it.

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For now, I am going to be pushing for McCain's success. No, he's not the ideal candidate but he is miles above Obamination.

We can not afford even 1% of our votes going to Bob Barr for example.

I do NOT want to have to deal with the things listed up thread and I'm sure that we all feel that way.

+1

If you vote for Bar or Ron Paul, you might as well just write in Perot or even Nader. It will have the exact same effect. We lose, the gun grabbers win big time for a long time.

[Old Ironsights]

...and you CAN COUNT ON the NRA and the vast majority of gunowners eagerly negotiating a "COMPROMISE" so that:

Only SOME semiautomatics will be banned.
Only SOME handguns will be banned.
Existing ones will be "grandfathered" in, to appease the stupid masses - and the strategy will work.

The issue has become like the old joke about arguing about the price with a madame; we've established that most gunowners will SELL OUT their freedom - the only question is the price.

Individuals like Osama (did I spell that wrong?) are NOT the problem; they've been around forever, like blizzards and rabid dogs, dangerous but obvious.

It is the "enemies within" who pose the worse threat - all the apathetic, spoiled, and willing-to-compromise-as-long-as-their-own-hobby-isn't-inconvenienced crowd who will ruin our society.

Our fellow gun owners will fail us. Is it that they don't have enough time (but they take days off to go hunting), or that they don't have enough money (but they buy those Leupolds and Brownings)...? No - 99% of our fellow gun owners are too lazy, and they don't have the integrity or the courage. That includes 90% of the NRA members who stand in the gun store where it is "safe" and gripe about the gun laws, but think that as long as they paid up their life membership thirty years ago they've done their duty.

+1... and IMO even if Osnoba loses to McChurian we will have more of our Privelege (the Right is long gone) to Keep and Bear Arms compromised away. That's what McChurian does... he "works with" the other side.

Meh. Bring 'em on. Let's see this issue to come to a head - while we still have some guns left to defend the Constitution WITH.

[FWiedner]

The same thing will happen whether Clinton, Obama, or McCain takes the throne.

Taxes will go up, 20 million or more illegal aliens will be given amnesty, favored corporations will have more rights than People, jobs will be lost and outsourced overseas. The socialist third world counties of the world will live out of the pocket of what is left of the American middle-class, and our great president (whichever one it is) will continue to use the U.S. military as an "Army for Rent" and will continue to send American children to die for other people's countries.

The Republicans will achieve their goal of crushing American liberty in order for wealthy facists to rule, and the Democats will achieve their dream of decimating the American middle-class, so that wealthy socialists can rule. It's win-win for both parties.

The Constitution will become an irrelevant historical document, and the US of A will become a facist police state.

In weighing the current crop of media-spawned slimeball candidates, no matter which one wins, the United States of America loses.

As Mr. Smith says:

It's the age of secret detention centers -- concentration camps -- the seizure of private weapons as part of "helping" disaster victims, and the imposition of a North American Union that would circumvent and destroy the Bill of Rights, erase the borders between this country and Mexico and Canada, and force Americans to use "Ameros" for money instead of dollars.

The government now snatches people off the street and out of their homes, ships them without due process to Guantanamo Bay and other places for unlimited periods of time, and tortures them. Your bland assurances that "it can't happen here" ring a bit hollow, since it is happening here, right now. Only this time, everybody gets to be a Jew.

[Ysabel Kid]

What I'd work and pray for is that O or H (or McC) does as little damage to the judiciary as they are wrecking the economy and our freedoms. The next administration has all the markings of becoming Jimmy Carter's second term, with the same results as his first term. After 4 years in the toilet JC got us Reagan. Hopefully 4 years of O or H (and again, maybe McC) will get us a true limited-government, rights-respecting President. If the judiciary is largely intact, we should see many onerous laws overturned. This is why McC must win - the other two WILL appoint leftists to the bench, Congress will approve them, and they will destroy our freedoms. At least with McC we have a chance of true constructionists being nominated. They'll languish in the Senate, but we shouldn't see the balance slip any further.

[505stevec]

I will go one being aware and sometimes accused of being "paranoid". I will vote for McCain because Ron Paul has no chance. I think it does not matter because I know that God is in control. It may sound trite but it is true. If the book of Revelation's "Great Tribulation" is about to occur there is nothing we can do to stop it. If not than many countries have died in history because of corupt governments.


"Keep you powder dry boys"

[AJMD429]

My plan is to vote for McCain, but to send about one letter a week to the RNC or his campaign or website, bombarding them with the idea that I'm considering abandoning the Republican party to vote for a third party due to his waffling on the Second Amendment.

If (I hope) he IS elected, then I will continue to write letters along the same line.

You have to "make them feel the heat" or they all get rotten.

[66GTO]

Maybe I am naive, but I refuse to believe that the citizens of this country will vote for a man who says this:

"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,"

and who sat in church for 20 years listening to his preacher say " GD America!", and then used the title of one of his sermons for the title of his autobiography.

I can't believe the American people will put up with the government telling them how much food to eat and where to set their thermostats. If we have become such a nation of wimps, may God have mercy on us, for we are doomed.

I am assuming (maybe falsely) that McCain and the Republicans will have the cajones to attack Obama on these statements.

I may have to eat my words come next November, but I just don't see it happening.

[shooter]

I'd like to think America will stand up against Osama, but I really don't know if this country is still smart enough to see past his lies. I think that soon it's going to be time for a gut check. Will we really stand up and fight for what we say we believe in?

[PaulB]

There is an air of unreality about this thread. McCain being "the best choice we have"? Funny thing about putting makeup on a pig, you still have a pig when you're done.

The same thing will happen whether Clinton, Obama, or McCain takes the throne.

FWiedner, you're on target. Our economy tanks, really tanks this time, not like the last Depression. Maybe not even waiting for the election to be over. When that happens, any distinguishing characteristics between the media-anointed candidates will disappear.

[Quick Karl]

It is the "enemies within" who pose the worse threat - all the apathetic, spoiled, and willing-to-compromise-as-long-as-their-own-hobby-isn't-inconvenienced crowd who will ruin our society.

Our fellow gun owners will fail us. Is it that they don't have enough time (but they take days off to go hunting), or that they don't have enough money (but they buy those Leupolds and Brownings)...? No - 99% of our fellow gun owners are too lazy, and they don't have the integrity or the courage. That includes 90% of the NRA members who stand in the gun store where it is "safe" and gripe about the gun laws, but think that as long as they paid up their life membership thirty years ago they've done their duty.

Sir,

I salute you, and I will guard your back anywhere, anytime.

[morgan in nm]

I am going to vote for McCain even though I cant stand him. However, I sometimes wonder if Obama does get elected, will he be able to get any of his "agenda" passed. I would like to think that the Republicans we have left in congress will become galvanized against him like the democrats are towards Bush to the point that nothing gets done. Maybe he will be a lame duck. I am quite confident that McCain will have a much better chance of getting more anti-gun legislation passed than either candidate because he is a "moderate" with the ties to get it done. Nobody will be willing to fight him on his values. But then again, will Obama play the race card everytime he doesn't get his way. Who knows.

All I know is that either way, we lose.