High see threw rings!
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High see threw rings!
I think the reason most of my scoped levers have high see through rings is in this era you only get a 50 or 60 foot shot+dont have time to scope it.The woods are thick and hills and then valleys.You dont have much time for aiming.
I don't like the look ether and if you think back to my lever #14 i think,It had a low scope on it.
The ones with high rings are or have been hunters,Thats my guess on it any way.
WHAT do you think?
I don't like the look ether and if you think back to my lever #14 i think,It had a low scope on it.
The ones with high rings are or have been hunters,Thats my guess on it any way.
WHAT do you think?
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Re: High see threw rings!
WellSir....I just don't like them at all I think If I needed the open sights all that much, I'd leave the scope off in the first place.....Just my 1/2 cent worth
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Re: High see threw rings!
I have lots of high see-through rings, because In bright light I like peeps, but if I have the time for a precise shot, or the light is poor, I like a scope. I haven't gone on a 'critical' enough hunt to need backup irons, and if I did, I'd likely just use a quick detatch scope, since if it's broke it may as well be removed. Maybe sight in a spare to carry too.
I also notice that although I'm a decent enough shot, I don't really 'cheek weld' the way some people do, so I don't care if the scope is low.
I also note that if you want to be within a few minutes of angle at the greatest ranges, the higher the scope the better; I'm not a varmint shooter so don't really care, but you can get more of the trajectory near the crosshairs if you start from a higher position above the bore.
It's one of those things I just did because it seemed to work for me, and I hadn't really bothered to see how it was 'supposed' to be done. I'm too stubborn to change.
I also notice that although I'm a decent enough shot, I don't really 'cheek weld' the way some people do, so I don't care if the scope is low.
I also note that if you want to be within a few minutes of angle at the greatest ranges, the higher the scope the better; I'm not a varmint shooter so don't really care, but you can get more of the trajectory near the crosshairs if you start from a higher position above the bore.
It's one of those things I just did because it seemed to work for me, and I hadn't really bothered to see how it was 'supposed' to be done. I'm too stubborn to change.
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Re: High see threw rings!
+1BlaineG wrote:WellSir....I just don't like them at all I think If I needed the open sights all that much, I'd leave the scope off in the first place.....Just my 1/2 cent worth
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Re: High see threw rings!
Those who like em can have em. None for me thanks. They put the scope too high to be accurate for me. No cheek support.
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Re: High see threw rings!
I prefer a super low as you can get it mounted low powered scope.
The high mounts are very prone to shooting error caused by cant. Plus they are just ungainly IMHO.
The high mounts are very prone to shooting error caused by cant. Plus they are just ungainly IMHO.
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Re: High see threw rings!
O.S.O.K. wrote:I prefer a super low as you can get it mounted low powered scope.
The high mounts are very prone to shooting error caused by cant. Plus they are just ungainly IMHO.
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A low mounted scope on 1X is about as fast on target as you can get.
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Re: High see threw rings!
Wouldn't it be nice to have one about the compactness of those red-dot ones, but that would zoom up to 10x when you wanted it to! Maybe even the crosshair part stays put, and you slip on the 10x part if you have time for a rested shot...TedH wrote: A low mounted scope on 1X is about as fast on target as you can get.
I do agree the 'cant' factor is worse the higher any sights are; I've had to learn to be careful there.
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Re: High see threw rings!
Me too!O.S.O.K. wrote:I prefer a super low as you can get it mounted low powered scope.
The high mounts are very prone to shooting error caused by cant. Plus they are just ungainly IMHO.
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Re: High see threw rings!
I think they are hideous. To me it's harder to find something inside those rings and over your sights than if you'd just mounted a 2.5x scope (or 1.5-4.5 or whaterver). On top of that if you do use the scope when mounted that high it's hard to find your target as well. After that is the cheek weld issue.
Having said all that. To each his own. For me it's low power scopes w/low mounts or peep sights.
Having said all that. To each his own. For me it's low power scopes w/low mounts or peep sights.
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Seems to be an endless topic of debate.
I have see-throughs on my 336W and they aren't coming off.
I don't honestly know why I like them but I do. Maybe years of shooting M16's. I don't know. I have ZERO trouble with cheek weld and I shoot that rifle very well. They were on that rifle when I bought it and I don't know that I'd put it on my other rifles, but I don't have issues with them.
To each their own.
I have see-throughs on my 336W and they aren't coming off.
I don't honestly know why I like them but I do. Maybe years of shooting M16's. I don't know. I have ZERO trouble with cheek weld and I shoot that rifle very well. They were on that rifle when I bought it and I don't know that I'd put it on my other rifles, but I don't have issues with them.
To each their own.
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Re: High see threw rings!
I must confess I never liked see-through rings, so I started out with a predjudice against them. One day I was visiting my favorite gunsmith, who was boresighting a scope mounted in high, see-through rings. The scope did not have enough adjustment to boresight properly, so as I watched, he carefully used hand pressure on the scope tube to bend the rings enough to line up the reticle with the bore. He explained that those high, thinly built aluminum rings were so structurally weak that they could easily be bent by modest pressure.
In addition to the fact that I like a good cheek weld, I also want a strong mounting system that will survive the knocks and bumps that happen in the field without losing zero. See-through mounts are the weakest and most delicate method of mounting a scope (other than duct tape). It is an especially weak system if you are using a large, heavy scope.
If your rifle is well stocked and you have a good scope of appropriate power mounted as low as possible, it should be just as fast (actually for me it is faster, because you don't have to line two sights up, and the scope puts the reticle in the same focal plane as the target) to acquire a target as iron sights, and you will see it better when you do.
In addition to the fact that I like a good cheek weld, I also want a strong mounting system that will survive the knocks and bumps that happen in the field without losing zero. See-through mounts are the weakest and most delicate method of mounting a scope (other than duct tape). It is an especially weak system if you are using a large, heavy scope.
If your rifle is well stocked and you have a good scope of appropriate power mounted as low as possible, it should be just as fast (actually for me it is faster, because you don't have to line two sights up, and the scope puts the reticle in the same focal plane as the target) to acquire a target as iron sights, and you will see it better when you do.
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Re: High see threw rings!
Eli Chaps wrote:Seems to be an endless topic of debate.
I have see-throughs on my 336W and they aren't coming off.
I don't honestly know why I like them but I do. Maybe years of shooting M16's. I don't know. I have ZERO trouble with cheek weld and I shoot that rifle very well. They were on that rifle when I bought it and I don't know that I'd put it on my other rifles, but I don't have issues with them.
To each their own.
Might be right, I never liked them but never felt comfortable shooting any AR type gun either. I imagine you can use the scope as a carry handle too.
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Re: High see threw rings!
Might be right, I never liked them but never felt comfortable shooting any AR type gun either. I imagine you can use the scope as a carry handle too.
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Hey, I resemble that remark. On topic, I go either way. (scope mounts that is). I can use either and shoot very well in the field.
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Hey, I resemble that remark. On topic, I go either way. (scope mounts that is). I can use either and shoot very well in the field.
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Re: High see threw rings!
I tried them in my younger days, and took them right off after shooting the open sights I pridnere got knocked out by the scope. What I would do though is mount a Quick Detach set up. They work well I am told. But if they work for you thats all that matters.