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California gun sales

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Just read a description of an 1873 antique for sale on gunbroker, the seller states "No California Sales". I am curious, what is the law out there on the left coast? Are you guys not allowed to have antique guns shipped to you????
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Some out of state sellers seems to feel it is too much of a hassel to sell a gun and ship to CA. All that is required that the seller ship it to a CA. licensed FFL dealer and that dealer will complete the transfer to the actual buyer in CA.
The out of state seller could require the buyer in Ca. to supply a copy of the FFL of the dealer in CA. or the dealer in CA. could send the seller a copy and the seller sends the firearm to the address listed on the FFL license. Any fees by the CA. dealer will be between him and the buyer and the seller should charge the buyer a shipping fee. Of course the seller will want his purchase fees before he ships the gun to CA.
There is some restrictions on certain firearms that can be sold in CA. but these do not apply to the common hunting rifles or relics. Sellers that will not ship to CA. are only cutting into their potention market to sell that gun, but that is their choice.

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hillbillygunsmith, do these rules apply to antique guns too?
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From:
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/cflcoverview.php

As of July 1, 2008, California Penal Code Section 12072(f)(1) prohibits all Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs), other than Type 03 or 06 FFLs, from shipping firearms to an FFL in California unless, prior to delivery, the FFL intending to deliver, sell or transfer the firearms obtains a verification approval number from the California Department of Justice (CADOJ) Bureau of Firearms.

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I find selling to CA residents is no different than selling to the other contiguous 47.

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The new Calif. law does not apply to out-of-state individuals selling to a Calif buyer through a Calif FFL, only out-of-state FFL's.

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The problem was pointed out by bcp above. FFL's can't simply ship to FFL's in California until they sign up with the Ca DOJ and then get a number issued by the Ca DOJ for the shipment.
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I wonder how much of this is the perceived difficulty of dealing with transactions into CA, and how much is just sellers being p-o'd at CA's idiotic anti-gun laws???
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According to my FFL the new law basically verifies at the time of Transfer all applicable license are up-to-date and valid prior to the transfer. In speaking to several out of state FFLs that have shipped to my FFl it is a few minute task on-line. The refusal of people to ship to CA. really @#$%^& me off but it is their right. I have asked GunBrokers if they could provide a filter such that my searchs would permenantly exclude any seller who refuses to ship to Ca.. Unfortunately they say they don't have that capability. I am sure if it successfully thwarts sells in California it will be coming to other states soon and those that have made it successful have themselves to blame.
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Ysabel Kid wrote:I wonder how much of this is the perceived difficulty of dealing with transactions into CA, and how much is just sellers being p-o'd at CA's idiotic anti-gun laws???

I would bet 90% the latter.
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It looks like the best thing to do is to have all the gun owners move out of California and take their money with them. See how they like that.
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jjames wrote:According to my FFL the new law basically verifies at the time of Transfer all applicable license are up-to-date and valid prior to the transfer. In speaking to several out of state FFLs that have shipped to my FFl it is a few minute task on-line. The refusal of people to ship to CA. really @#$%^& me off but it is their right. I have asked GunBrokers if they could provide a filter such that my searchs would permenantly exclude any seller who refuses to ship to Ca.. Unfortunately they say they don't have that capability. I am sure if it successfully thwarts sells in California it will be coming to other states soon and those that have made it successful have themselves to blame.
I have signed up to send guns to CAL and you are correct, it only takes a few minutes to do. Roughly about 15 minutes. But that's only if the info provided from the CAL FFL is correct. So far all but two have gone smoothly. These two were troublesome because the CAL FFL provided the wrong info so it took more phone calls and time to correct their mistake. I now charge a flat rate of $5 to process CAL paperwork. My bench rate is $50 an hour so I really should be charging $15 to do this but my hope is it will get easier as everyone gets used to this.
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Thanks for all the info guys, but no one has specifically addressed the question LOL :lol: !! ANTIQUE FIREARMS. Made before 1899. Do these things mentioned above also apply to antique guns?
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The answer to your original question is: California says their "antique firearm" is the same as the ATF standard: 921(a)(16) Title 18 U.S.C. They do not regulate antique firearms. So you may buy or sell in or out of California the same as most other states. Look up the California firearms rules under 12001-A(2)(e) for the law. C&R licenses do not apply to any handgun in California, ALL non-antique handguns must go through a dealer.
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This subject is out of hand, as usual. All this perceived nonsense and fear of selling guns in Ca is just that. Gun Smith is correct, there are no laws to prevent ANTIQUE long guns being sent directly to a CA buyer. Handguns, regardless of their manufacture date, must be sent through an 01 FFL. I can't understand this silly rule, but it is fact. The ATF list of "antique" serial numbers is off by several hundred numbers on some models of Winchester rifles, but that is to the advantage of buyers. It does negatively affect the "collectable" value of these guns, though, as they don't really fall under the "pre-1899" status that some folks so covet :) .
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IMO, the sellers that refuse to deal with California buyers are shortsighted and are hurting themselves more than anyone else. They are punishing the wrong people and negatively affected the gun community as a whole. I attribute it to laziness and ignorance. But that's just my opinion.
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I've got a question for you California dwellers.

What are the laws regarding firearm registration now?
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Since I've been out of Kalifornia for two years, thank God, and I have lost track. But I did get a CD from the ATF with all the current state laws on it. I think they are correct to September, 2008 (their revised date) on the CD label.
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I've didn't bid on two guns (1911s) on GunBroker because of the "NO CA" sellers. I guess it's thier loss 'cause I can still buy 1911s here! :lol:

CA is definately NOT citizen friendly. Polititions can't control thier "good ol' boy" spending so they fight about it for several weeks after the budget is due and wind up cutting services and raising taxes. 1/3rd of the state has a lead ammo ban. CA gun laws are totally illogical. Mayor of LA is pro illegal immigrants (a friend of mine is an English teacher in LA county. He teaches 10th graders how to read, at a 2nd grade level!). This would be a good place to be FROM!
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