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OT: Dangers of Swine-Flu Vaccines

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I found this over on The Ruger Forum:
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=64544

Due to the manor it was written in ie: "it's a govt conspiracy" I'm not sure what to think of it. So I'm posting it here as a conversation topic.
Maybe AJMD will elaborate on it and clear things up.

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Dangers of Swine-Flu Vaccines
By Paul G. King, Ph.D. Aug 24, 2009

Will this fall’s swine flu vaccination program be a repeat of history?

In 1976, the barely “tested” vaccine formulation had no Thimerosal (ethyl mercury), but the one they gave the public was Thimerosal-preserved! Before the vaccination program was stopped, 46 million people had been vaccinated; 4,000 people sued for damages from side effects, including neurological damage such as paralytic Guillian Barré syndrome or death. See youtube.com/watch?v=5lcJt4jX1Vo

This time we have been told most doses of these flu shots will be in multi-dose vials (which are preserved with Thimerosal (49.5 percent mercury by weight, a compound whose safety has never been proven as required by law). However, unlike the last time:

(a)MedImmune is preparing 25 million live-influenza doses to ensure there will be 25+ million swine-flu cases.

(b) There will be several inactivated-influenza vaccine suppliers who will produce vaccines with differing adverse-effect profiles, so it will be more difficult to prove the vaccine was the cause. Unadjuvanted vaccines (vaccines without chemical immune “helpers”) will be tested, but many may get an adjuvanted shot. See dailypaul.com/node/103773

(c) There will be no guaranteed compensation for anyone harmed—not even under the NVICP—because these vaccines will not be adequately tested for safety, much less for effectiveness. A few clinical trials for “efficacy and dose” started in late July (see clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=swine+flu), but all without proper safety testing (where a placebo containing only buffered sterile saline is used) because of the “safety” (a lie) of the similar human influenza vaccines given from 1950s to the present. These swine-flu vaccines will be given under a health emergency (“Pandemic Alert”) scenario with apparently no FDA-regulation-compliant approval. See thenhf.com/newsflash_57.htm

(d) Like all vaccines, the long-term mercury-poisoning and immune-system harms will not even be looked for. Most “trials” will only look for adverse effects for 21 days.

(e) The current scenario calls for all to get the recommended annual flu vaccines plus two doses of the swine-flu vaccines—three shots in all.

(f) They will start with pregnant women whose unborn children cannot complain. Each mercury-preserved flu shot a pregnant woman gets during pregnancy will further increase her proven one-mercury-dose risk of having a child with a serious birth defect such as cleft palate, microcephaly (small head; mental retardation), and pyloric stenosis (malfunction of stomach emptying and gastrointestinal problems). For details concerning the risks, see mercury-freedrugs.org/docs/20090709_Drft_ReviewOfFDAsThimerosalinVaccinesQAb.pdf pp 52–53.

Children, who are less able to resist and much more likely to be harmed, will be among the first vaccinated; and finally the adults will be vaccinated unless the harm has, as in 1976, become so widespread that they refuse en mass to be vaccinated.
Moreover, given a mortality rate that appears to be on the order of 1 in 100,000 to 1 in 1,000,000 in “healthy” people exposed to the swine flu itself, the vaccines will probably, as they did in 1976:

(a) Harm hundreds of times more than those who are not inoculated but get and recover from swine flu, and

(b) Kill 10 times as many as would die from the flu-related effects from swine flu. (In 1976, only one unvaccinated man died after being on a forced march while sick, whereas 25 died from being given the swine-flu vaccine.)

With respect to the live-virus swine flu inoculation, reading the FluMist insert clearly indicates that the person inoculated is infected with a supposedly self-limiting live virus and can infect others.

If, as the government is claiming, the bioengineered swine-flu virus is more easily spread, then clearly, if you infect 25,000,000 with this bioengineered live swine-flu variant, you will have more than 25,000,000 additional swine-flu infections.

When this live swine-flu virus undergoes reassortment with the live A/H1N1 vaccine viruses, the worst-case scenario would be that the swine-flu virus’ infectivity would increase from the “1 percent” level to the “30-plus percent” level and transmissibility increase from the “less than10 percent” level to “more than 50 percent”—where inoculating 25 million might produce 100 million cases of “influenza”—but “no one” knows.

At a minimum, against an annual background level of 30 to 50 million cases of human influenza, inoculating 25 million with live swine flu vaccine will increase the number of cases to the 55 to 75+ million level, not counting the cases from the annual FluMist.

Given the propaganda, governmental pressure, the expenditure of billions, and the need to damage more fetuses, pregnant women, children, and adults to increase the supply of the chronically ill required to support our bloated health care system and the pharmaceutical industry, a simple “No thanks!” will, be met with threats. Moreover, health care workers, who try to say “No thanks!” for the current ineffective human flu vaccines, already risk loss of their jobs.

Only a mass refusal has any chance—especially given the recent laws, construction of detention centers, and the training of American troops to assist in managing the “dissidents” as well as the declaration of a “Health Emergency” when there is not one.

Too bad the American people will not stand up and, as a group, simply say “HELL NO”!

Dr. King is the founder of FAME Systems, a consultancy for pharmaceutics, quality systems, and regulatory compliance. He is also the science advisor for and secretary of CoMeD, Inc., a not-for-profit 501c 3 organization whose goals include stopping all use of mercury in medicine.
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When it is only the corporations promoting vaccines, within the legal limits set by tort law and advertising law, it is bad enough to decide if something is 'ok' or not. When the GOVERNMENT enters the fray, all bets are off; politicaly payoffs to lobbyists and other concerns seem to trump medical legitimacy every time. (THIS is one of the reasons we have to return to the true "free market" for health care, even though the Liberals just hate that concept.)

Anyway, the GENERAL rule for ALL new medications or treatments is in my opinion, the "three-wave" approach:
  • The FIRST to get/try the treatment should be the ones at highest risk from the ailment - typically the 'old, frail' people.
    The NEXT to get/try the treatment should be the old healthy, and young frail. They are at less risk, but their waiting gives the highest risk people a chance to get treated if treatment is limited in availability, and allows them the ability to decide against treatment if the first wave toxicities are too high.
    The LAST to get/try the treatment should be the young/healthy - they are at lowest risk, and should allow the higher risk people first chance to be treated, and should wait to be assured toxicity is very low before deciding to treat.
That approach is hard to argue with. One problem is defining 'old, frail' - in the case of H1N1 the more vulnerable could actually be the young people, so 'young frail' may be higher risk than 'old frail'. This is due to their less-experienced immune systems.

I ALSO have trouble with giving a whole nation ANY new medication all at once - you wouldn't have the pilot and co-pilot BOTH eat some 'new' dish from a new vendor, would you? This goes especially for an immunologic, injectable, and one made in only a few laboratories; what if one lab accidentally embeds a viral DNA sequence in the vaccine (it has happened in the past with oral polio, if I recall correctly), or what if one lab gets sabotaged? After all, often our 'flu' vaccine makers are overseas, and I've heard the H1N1 may be outsourced to China - the same people who added melamine to the SOY powder they sold us, to make its assay for 'protein content' read higher so as to appear higher quality.

So - bottom line is nobody knows. Unfortunately, it is so politically tainted at this point that even us 'insiders' cannot get unbiased information.

Good Luck.
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Re: OT: Dangers of Swine-Flu Vaccines

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"Good Luck."

Yeah, I think we need all we can get.

I'm now 57 years old and to date I've never gotten a flu shot. I have refused every time the Drs have suggested it.
Some years back when my mom got the shot, she actually got the flu.
A couple years ago my wife let the Drs talk her into it and she got it. So in my not so humble opinion, it's not worth the risk.

I'll just keep on refusing the shots.

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So... the question is... how do we keep from being subjected to a shot we don't want if it's a "job requirement"?

I saw enough bad things happen to solid troops after their first round of "mandatory" untested anti-Saddam innoculations (Gulf I) that I want no part of a Gooberment "mandatory" shot of any kind - until I see that the shot itself doesn't cause more harm than good....

To say nothing of my general paranoia over things like tri-parate exclusionary population reduction programmes a-la BoBo's EcoNutburgers...

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The last time I got the flu it was because some customer/patient had the flu and was coughing everywhere and didn't know how to turn his head and cover his mouth. My technician looked at him and said to me, "You can wait on him, I'm not going near him!" I held my breath as long as possible and kept trying to move away from his coughing, but he didn't get the hint. I ended up with the flu. I walked to him the next time he was in and told him what he had done, and he just said, "You are seeing sick people, and I don't care if I get you sick. You shouldn't make money off of us who are sick." By the way, he was on medicaid and had no physical reason so to be.
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Last year was the first in many I did not get a flu shot, I did not get the flu, but I did not interact with people very much.
I think I will get one this year.
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Have never had a flu shot nor has anyone in the family and I/we don't intend to. We don't tend to get sick. I have seen two children's lives devastated directly following shots. One is a paraplegic now and the other is worse.
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The '76 vaccine was also the cause of many cases of flu. The USAF made the shots madatory. Within days, we couldn't have launched an alert bird if WWIII had started. Had to get some ANG troops from Lousiana to come TDY to Florida till our pilots and ground crews healed up. Had there been an emergency, the fire guys would have had to puke all the way to the scene. Wasn't a pretty sight, believe me.
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I used to get the flu shots but in the last couple of years I have not done it. I don't plan on getting a swine shot either. I don't deal with many people as it is and if the turds hit the fan, I'm just staying away from the small amount of people I do deal with.

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Generally I get the flu shot, last year I saw my M.D in Oct. He mentioned they had the vaccine in and did I want the shot. I said no, I thought I would wait a month or so then get it. 3rd week in Oct, I came down with the flu. Earliest they had seen, I ended up with one of the first documentated cases of Flu in Oakland County Michigan in 2009. Some claim to fame
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In '76 I was 21 and I was at the Top of My Game health Wise. I was about 180lb and working like a wildman every day. At work they announced free flu shots and a bunch of us went and got them. I woke up the next morning unable to get out of bed and spent the next week at home trying to get better. I lost 12lb that week. :x .
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If I recall correctly, a severe 'egg allergy' is a contraindication to flu vaccines (including I presume the 'H1N1'). That would mean a history of facial swelling and/or shortness of breath when exposed to even tiny amounts of egg products. Of course claiming such an allergy while eating an Egg McMuffin might cause authorities to question one's credibility.

Anyway, I don't think even the 'authorities' can force vaccination if the patient claims such a history.
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Do get the yearly Flu shot, also the pneumonia shot(as needed) but rarely ever get sick! cause I always "Wash my Hands" :lol:
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Same here, only I do not feel 22, I remember 22, I hated it, barely lived through it.
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Think I have had about 6 flu shots. First one, about 8 years ago, put me down for about 5 days. 102 fever. Others haven't had any effect, except a sore arm, until this year. Had one last Wednesday morning. Was clammy and sweaty that night and got sick at my stomach the next day (my cast iron stomach get upset???--thats a switch). General "ick" feeling was gone by next night, but still have the nausea this morning.
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I am not worried about a government that can't pay people who voluntarily participate in a program like C.A.R.S. to come find me for a flu shot. The Army couldn't do it and they had full and absolute control of my health care and physical location.
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I'm with Hobie no shot for me
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I'm in outside sales and deal with people daily that are in the Hospitality Industry.....mainly people in the kitchens. You better believe I'm getting the regular flu shot. I get exposed to all sorts of "sickies" and have not had the flu, in years.
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No here. Jail me.

More fuel:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... ccine.aspx
Just last week I reported on the confidential correspondence between the British Health Protection Agency and 600 neurologists, warning them to be on the lookout for cases of Guillain- Barré Syndrome once the swine flu vaccine campaign begins.

I’ve published earlier articles about some of the more dangerous ingredients in this vaccine, such as mercury, and squalene, which has been linked to the development of autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis and lupus.

Now, German lung specialist Wolfgang Wodarg has come out about even more potential health risks associated with the swine flu vaccine. Interestingly, Dr. Wodarg also holds political office, as the chairman of the health committee in the German parliament and European Council.

According to Dr. Wodarg, the swine flu vaccine contains animal cancer cells, and there’s no data indicating whether or not this may cause an allergic reaction when injected.

It also raises questions about the risk of contracting cancer.
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I would urge everyone to do some open minded research from multiple sources of information before making up their minds. The "gooberment" isn't going to force anyone to get the H1N1 vaccine.
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I'm with Hobie.
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'Sides... I hear that in a small percentage f the population there's a terrible side effect..
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Keep this in mind and you will stay pretty healthy:

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Unfortunately, I work with some of the dirtiest of households and people around almost on a daily basis. I get the flu shot every year. I've only had one incident a number of years ago where I felt crappy for a couple of days and the shot location swelled. Haven't had that same reaction for a long time. I haven't got the pneaumonia shot. Don't know what to think about the swine flu vaccination.
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