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First off: This is coming from Bud's Gun Shop and is listed as ROSSI PUMA - so is it made in Brazil or is it Chiappa - made in Italy?
This is confusing! From what I can ascertain, the Rossi's are still Brazilian.... and its only the Armi San Marco's products that are Chiappa - but they're labeled "Puma" which is the source of confusion right?
ETA [OK - I did a little research - ie I looked-up the Legacy Sports web site and looked at their offerings - they don't offer this configuration at all and the prices were $800+, so that pretty much is that!]
I couldn't help myself as the price was just too good ($365 shipped). Normally, I would ask this before making the order, but I seem to have heard that its a dice roll to some degree as to the quality?
What's your experience with these latest Pumas? Are they up to par with the older ones?
I had one of the Interarms imported Brazilian made Rossi Pumas and it was a piece of xxxt. I liked the idea, but it was a lemon right out of the box. It cost me more than I paid for it just to get it to function properly and before I could get my fun out of it, it broke again. Fixed that, just a screw, then it broke again and would have required a gunsmith or someone who could weld. I ditched it at that point.
I like them, I like the idea, but my very limited experience wasn't good.
Others have good ones. I think mine was made on hangover Monday from reject parts. Kind of like a lot of Rugers.
As for where yours is made, beats the stuffin out of me, I'm as cornfused as you are.
Joe
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I would reckon that if it says ROSSI it is more than likely a Rossi from brazil.I have a brand new Iterarms 92 .357 that only had ten rounds through it in all those years until I got it in 2007, it will feed .38 and .357 swc reloads without a flaw. I also have a Rossi Hartford .45Colt that will feed my swc reloads just fine.
I bought Steve's and the ejector sping for the .357. I know you do your own work but I think you would benifit from his video.
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COSteve wrote:I've got your 24" rifle in 38/357 as well as a 20" carbine, also in 38/357, and I can tell you that you're in for a great time!! The ones on Bud's Guns for that price are LSI imported Rossis made in Brazil so I'm sure that you got one of those. You are going to love the way it shoots!
I love both of mine, however, to really enjoy them, I think you have to do a bit of work to smooth out the action and lighten the trigger. Give Steve (our own Nate) a call HERE and order the following items to slick up your Rossi.
1ea Rossi DVD - Steve walks you through disassembly, cleaning, and tuning with a clear set of videos. He'll walk you through an action and trigger job that lightens the trigger, hammer, ejector, and mag springs as well as lightening the extractor grip. All these result in a smoother, lighter actioned rifle with a lighter and crisper trigger. It's a must to understand and care for your rifle.
1ea Safety Plug - Covers the hole when you remove that stupid bolt safety the lawyers insisted they install. It's as simple as open the bolt, drive out a small pin, remove the safety, insert the plug, drive in the pin and you're done.
1ea Ejector Spring - The one spring that Steve replaces in the instructions above. The rest he shows you how to adjust/shorten.
1ea Metal Mag Plug - The yellow plastic one will eventually bind up in your mag tube so Steve provides a metal one that eliminates that issue.
Sights:
You have a slew of options on sights for your Rossi. I especially like a tang sight on the 24" rifle as it's tang is already drilled and tapped for mounting one. Also, it will increase your sight radius to 30" and the peep sight allows you to see the front sight more clearly.
There are many different sight combinations you can look at depending upon you tastes and budget.
Well, its good to hear that basically the Rossi's are the same as they've always been - mostly good but you can get a doozer apparently.
Steve, what if I remove the safety, grind the wing off and grind-off the offensive bottom part that obstructs the firing pin.... and replace? Do you think that would work? I don't care about ruining the safety... at all. And I think I might have a spare metal magazine plug...
Our family has several Rossi's, or Puma's or whatever they are. Only one (mine) was purchased before about 2006 or so, so I don't know what kind that makes them. All just say "Rossi" on them (I think).
Here's the lot of them... (.357, .44, .45 Colt & .454 Casull chamberings)
I don't know 'roundage' on the others, but mine have shot several hundred rounds each with never a malfunction at all.
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Taking a look at that picture you posted, what in the heck is the rear sight setup? It looks like something is in the dovetail, but something else is rear of that, and looks like a traditional sight mounted backwards...
Just wondering what that photo is trying to show...
OK - old eyes strike again... Now I see that in the photo, the elevator shows up, and the dovetail of the sight itself, but the 'leaf' part isn't very visible. Makes sense now...
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[what if I remove the safety, grind the wing off and grind-off the offensive bottom part that obstructs the firing pin.... and replace? Do you think that would work? I don't care about ruining the safety... ]
Don't do it. Period.
That was my first thought/action, when I got my first bolt-safety Model 92.
When the top ears are ground off, all that's left is the round body od the main safety shaft, surrounded by the ugly detent holes normally covered/hidden by the ear section.
What's needed, besides a shorter plug that avoids interrupting the firing pin, is one with a slightly wider top flange to cover the no longer needed detents.
You can buy one readymade from Kiowa, but I made my own.
Here's a pic of the issue safety (left), with the ears ground off (center), and the replacement I made (right)
I bought a new Rossi 16", .357 from Bud's earlier this year and have been very pleased with it. It was not listed as a "Puma" however, as it is one of the new models made since Taurus bought out Rossi. The tang is marked "Braztech Int. LLC, Miami, Fl-USA". The barrel is marked "Rossi Model 92". Underneath the lever, "MADE IN BRAZIL-BY TAURUS".
Based on the price and the designation of "Puma", I would guess that yours is one of the leftover LSI models. If so, it should be checked for an overbore. I had a stainless 20" Puma .44 Mag that I bought from Bud's a couple of years ago that I got rid of for that reason. Other than the overbore, I loved the carbine.
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I'll check the bore for sure - and return it if its out of spec...
And I'll gladly purchase the safety plug or safety aperture sight from Steve - and the mag plug as I don't have one of those handy either - when he get's back in the saddle.
O.S.O.K. wrote:I'll check the bore for sure - and return it if its out of spec...
And I'll gladly purchase the safety plug or safety aperture sight from Steve - and the mag plug as I don't have one of those handy either - when he get's back in the saddle.
Hello Jac,
I saw your email but I've been cooking for the last two days so I haven't got to it. That gun will be one of the last batch of Rossi's that LSI imported as their Puma. That price it looks like Buds is liquidating them. As for the bore, I think it was Dec. 07 that the first batch of correct bore 44mags started coming in. Buds don't keep guns that long so you should be OK. I'll get you that info tomorrow.
BTW, because the bolt is lower than the front frame bridge you shouldn't need a taller front sight.
Ah, there you are! I figured you were busy with the holiday in one way or another. Thanks - Monday will be plenty soon enough to get that to me - looking forward to it!
Pete44ru wrote:BTW, Jac - I prepared some of the Cajun fixin's, you very kindly sent me, when I was playing camp cook in my annual Maine deer camp last week.
Everybody absolutely LOVED the concoction, and asked for more like dinners !
Or you can just remove that ugly thing, weld it up, and reblue it. Can't tell mine was even there on my .480 Ruger.
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COSteve wrote:Great job but like most of the other here, I have neither the equipment or the skills to tackle something like that.
I agree, it looks like a great job you've done filling that hole. However, that area of the bolt is where the pressre is contained. If you didn't do it you may want to consider having the bolt stress relieved and re-heat treated. Welding on gun parts is done all the time and many of those welds are never treated but if the parts are pressure parts like this bolt they should be.
Regarding confusion over the "Puma" name...though it's become to be thought as just about any Rossi 92, since the 90s it's technically just been a Legacy (LSI) term given their 92 ever since they took over being the largest importer of them when Interarms went away. It's a holdover from those days when Rossi/Interarms often called those earlier guns Pumas, and some mid-way through that early run even had those Puma medallion/emblems on the receiver on some saddle ring models for awhile to put a literal stamp on the moniker. NOW, Legacy/LSI's relationship with Rossi/Taurus/Braztech is terminated--in '08 I think--BUT they kept the rights to the "Puma" name...and to add to the confusion, are calling their pricier Armi Sport/Chiappa-made Italians (1892s) Pumas as well. HOWEVER, most of the new Puma 92s you see advertised are still, as one poster suggested, leftover LSI/Legacy ROSSI 92s.
Meanwhile, EMF, which has been the 2nd largest Rossi 92 distributor since the Interarms days, also appears to be winding down their Rossi relationship...but never corporately referred to their guns as "Pumas," though as said, lots of folks call them that anyway, lumping all Rossi 92s together. They've instead called theirs "Hartfords" (along with one of their single action lines) and/or "1892s." EMF (and Navy Arms for awhile) distinguished their guns from Legacy's (and the earlier Interarms' guns) with better sights, especially on the carbines, saddle rings as-often-as not on the carbines (ditto many Interarms-era carbines), and often a better grade or finish of wood on all models....especially Navy Arms which was unique in equipping their "1892" with genuine walnut 'til they ceased distributing Rossis in 2006.
After LSI's contract with Rossi ended, Rossi/Taurus continued (re-started?) To make the 92s and marketing them once again as just "Rossi 92," but they're essentially the same gun as the LSI-marketed "Pumas" were. So, you're starting to see these guns replace the old LSIs in number on the Internet and in the larger sporting stores.
Clear as mud.
So, Legacy/LSI hasn't been the only Rossi 92 out there...though their mass(er) marketing--and a willing audience--has been successful in making the term "Puma" ubiquitous with "Rossi 92" in a lot of folks' minds.
Btw, ALL Brazilian 92s (1892s) are Rossis (now Rossi/Braztech/Taurus) and all Rossis are Brazilian. Other than an occasional Winchester limited/special Miroku (Japanese)-made runs, the only other current producer of 92s (1892s) is Armi Sport/Chiappa of Italy, marketed by Cimarron and Taylor's and, of late, Legacy (LSI).
olyinaz wrote:I didn't have good luck with the Brazilians, two duds and I gave up trying. Others mileage does vary however so good luck.
Best,
Oly
Have you tried shooting that new Chiappa .45 with heavy loads yet? You might get the same type of ejector imprints on the primer just like the Brazilian .44 did. Both of my .44 Mag Pumas do it with heavy factory loads and as far as I can tell it is no big deal. With my reloads I do not get the ejector imprints at all, but I'm only pushing 240gr LSWC over 8.5-9 grs of Unique. The case bulges you had seemed to be kind of excessive, but they would have probably come right out during resizing.
olyinaz wrote:I didn't have good luck with the Brazilians, two duds and I gave up trying. Others mileage does vary however so good luck.
Best,
Oly
Have you tried shooting that new Chiappa .45 with heavy loads yet? You might get the same type of ejector imprints on the primer just like the Brazilian .44 did. Both of my .44 Mag Pumas do it with heavy factory loads and as far as I can tell it is no big deal. With my reloads I do not get the ejector imprints at all, but I'm only pushing 240gr LSWC over 8.5-9 grs of Unique. The case bulges you had seemed to be kind of excessive, but they would have probably come right out during resizing.
45 Colts tend to expand more than other cartridges from my experience - I've seen this in my Rugers of all guns. That is, the chambers seem to be cut quite generously for some reason. What I did for best accuracy is neck size only. Now, of course, you may have more than one gun to fit them into - but that's what I did and it worked like a charm.
Yeah, these changes in who makes and sells what M92s has me konfused as well. But you guys have helped quite a bit and all I have to do now is remember. (Hah, right!)
Glad I was able to buy this .357, it is sweet.
John
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O.S.O.K., I was asking him if he had run into the same problems he did in this thread on a different forum. Same model of gun but different manufacturer. I would assume that since the Italian 92s have the same ejector setup as the Brazilian 92s, that if he was shooting heavy loads he might see the same type of markings on his primers even in a different caliber/gun.
Hanzerik wrote: Have you tried shooting that new Chiappa .45 with heavy loads yet? You might get the same type of ejector imprints on the primer just like the Brazilian .44 did. Both of my .44 Mag Pumas do it with heavy factory loads and as far as I can tell it is no big deal. With my reloads I do not get the ejector imprints at all, but I'm only pushing 240gr LSWC over 8.5-9 grs of Unique. The case bulges you had seemed to be kind of excessive, but they would have probably come right out during resizing.
I think you're right on. Actually the bolt face scratches bothered me more than the ejector cut imprinting but in the end it was the case bulging that killed that cat.
The new Chiappa is slicker'n grease and really shoots well! I agree that if I run some Buffalo Bore heavies through it I'll probably see the same thing and it does bulge the cases a bit but nothing like the .44 Mag did. One thing I notice about .454 Casull is that they use small rifle primers in that round resulting in the primer mostly missing the ejector cut in the face of the bolt. Not sure if that's bad or good, but the .454 I sent back due to rust and wood scratches didn't bulge the cases at all and the primers looked great. It certainly did kick like a mule however!!
Frankly, they're such bargains that I may still wind up with a Rossi in stainless at some point but we'll see. I got my son a .357 trapper big hoop for Christmas so we're going to have a Rossi in the family regardless.
Cheers,
Oly
Cheers,
Oly
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Now I see that in the photo, the 
I figured you were busy with the holiday in one way or another. Thanks - Monday will be plenty soon enough to get that to me - looking forward to it!
