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Inherently, reloading ammunition is dangerous.
Maybe it's a scare tactic, but I absolutely disagree... ASSuming that one follows directions the average teenager could understand. Flame Suit On :lol:
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EVERYTHING is dangerous, you just choose how much danger you can live with. Hey for some folks walking and chewing gum is DANGEROUS. I think the idea here is to get the newbie thinking safety right off the bat.
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Well, being a red blooded American male well past coming of age, I will say this about that:

Hand loading can be perfectly safe if directions are followed. If not then it will be extremely dangerous.
When I was in high school, way back in the 60s ... (that's 1960s Blaine), one of my school mates missed some days. When he came back his hand was all wrapped up in bandages. I never did get the exact story but he was loading ammo, shotgun IIRC, and something happened. His hand was never right after that.
Yet I started hand loading about the same time and I have all my digits and they are still functional.

I choose to be careful.

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That statement is from accuratereloading.com, not affiliated with Accurate Reloading Powders or Western Powders, but just another forum website.
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IIRC it was Jeff Cooper that said, guns are not fool proof but fools weren't meant to carry guns.

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When dealing with components that contain the potential power
that powder and primers do, some people need that kind of warning to get their brain on the right track.
Kinda like a 2x4 up the back of the head don`t ya know. :wink:
Others are not safe with a marshmallow in their hands. :o
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BlaineG wrote:
Inherently, reloading ammunition is dangerous.
Maybe it's a scare tactic, but I absolutely disagree... ASSuming that one follows directions the average teenager could understand. Flame Suit On :lol:
I wouldn't quite put it like that. I rather like "reloading is inherently dangerous."

And fully understand the mentality from which the statement comes. One cannot assume that others will follow directions, recommended load formulas; but, rather, are more likely to exhibit poor choices in component selection. Yes, done correctly, with due caution and care, it can be safer than sleeping in your own bed. While I haven't read the context in which it is stated, it is not an UNTRUE statement. I wouldn't expect that it would be a scare tactic, but should be taken as a cautionary advisement.
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Dangerous, nah. Reloading is so simple even a caveman... well perhaps not a caveman. :roll: :D
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Inherently, reloading ammunition is dangerous.
Ha..!

I've managed to injure myself pretty well doing activities that were supposedly "inherently safe"... :oops: :lol:
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AJMD429 wrote:
Inherently, reloading ammunition is dangerous.
Ha..!

I've managed to injure myself pretty well doing activities that were supposedly "inherently safe"... :oops: :lol:
Yeah, I believe going to doctors kills more people than gun stupidity :twisted:
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Crossing the street is inherently dangerous. Driving a car is inherently dangerous. Forgetting your wife's birthday is extremely dangerous. We live with potential danger all the time.
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BlaineG wrote:Yeah, I believe going to doctors kills more people than gun stupidity :twisted:
I remind my colleagues of that whenever they espress hoplophobic ideas.
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I am reminded of the story (possibly apocryphal) of the RTussian fireames instructor who wore his 1911 cocked-and-locked. When a student asked him, "Isn't that unsafe?", he replied, "Is gun! Is no safe!"

We all do countless inherently dangerous things every day. While obsessing over this fact can paralyze us, we run in to trouble when we allow ourselves to forget it. I think the folks at Accurate are wise to state the facts up front.
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I wouldn't call that statement "fact". To me "inherently" means it will happen, sooner or later, that all by itself, with no interferrance from an idiot, it is dangerous. Not so. I understand the potential dangers working with powder and primer (and alledged health problems casting lead boolits) and I treat these components accordingly. A pat on my back; reloading since late '70s, still have 10 fingers, two eyes, no ruined guns, only one squib (very early on) and thousands of hours of an enjoyable passtime. Best reloading tool available: common sense...
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mikld wrote:I wouldn't call that statement "fact". To me "inherently" means it will happen, sooner or later, that all by itself, with no interferrance from an idiot, it is dangerous. Not so. I understand the potential dangers working with powder and primer (and alledged health problems casting lead boolits) and I treat these components accordingly. A pat on my back; reloading since late '70s, still have 10 fingers, two eyes, no ruined guns, only one squib (very early on) and thousands of hours of an enjoyable passtime. Best reloading tool available: common sense...
Yes, that's what I wanted to say :oops:
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.Dirty-.Thirty wrote:Dangerous, nah. Reloading is so simple even a caveman... well perhaps not a caveman. :roll: :D
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I wish they would NOT have those warnings. It knocks down potential winners of the "Darwin Awards"--you know, the guy who went to pieces because he loaded his 30-06 with 60 grains of Bullseye.

It helps to keep the "tarts"out and strengthens our gene pool :D Come on! Its tongue-in-cheek for you lawyer types out there.---------Sixgun
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On construction sites, I never had a concrete block wall fall on me--but others did. I never got stabbed in the arm by shears accidentally dropped down an elevator shaft--but others did. I never got blown of the the top story of a 65 story building while holding a piece of plywood--but one guy did. I never had an injury on a construction site site until I took off my hard hat in 100 degree weather while on the roof of a building. I was the only person on the roof so I shouldn't need a hard hat. But the wind blew my ladder off of the wall of the elevator shaft--and that lack of common sense cost me 4 stitches in the temple.

Same thing applies to guns. Best safety is between your ears. You just need some harsh reminders sometimes!!!

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BlaineG wrote:
Inherently, reloading ammunition is dangerous.
Maybe it's a scare tactic, but I absolutely disagree... ASSuming that one follows directions the average teenager could understand. Flame Suit On :lol:
Lawyer-speak. They are afraid of litigation, like every business in this country. The line may help them when some twit decides not to follow any of their instructions, blows off a few fingers, and then tries to sue them... :evil:
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The most dangerous activity in modern society is driving. When alcohol is added to the mix, pun intended, the stats skyrocket. I can imagine our Law Enforcement members have many sad and disturbing stories about vehicle accidents and homicides. So even our suppliers call our sport dangerous when driving to the gun shop is far more dangerous and yet in reality the level of danger while driving is quite manageable.

With the last week of weather here I've witnessed a number of serious accidents involving icy roads and speeding. I'm a travelling oilfield salesman so I'm out in the worst weather as the patch doesn't rest here in the winter due to winter access into the frozen bush.

This year my fine neighbor was killed by a drunk driver running a red light. The punk ran off and hid in some trees until the K9 unit tracked him down. We have more dead from one long weekend across Canada than all gun accidents and crimes for a year.
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mikld wrote:I wouldn't call that statement "fact". To me "inherently" means it will happen, sooner or later, that all by itself, with no interferrance from an idiot, it is dangerous. Not so. I understand the potential dangers working with powder and primer (and alledged health problems casting lead boolits) and I treat these components accordingly. A pat on my back; reloading since late '70s, still have 10 fingers, two eyes, no ruined guns, only one squib (very early on) and thousands of hours of an enjoyable passtime. Best reloading tool available: common sense...
That's not what they meant to say, or they would have said, "Reloading is certain to cause injury."

"Reloading is inherently dangerous" simply means that the danger is there, waiting for some idiot to set it free. Just like driving on the expressway at rush hour is inherently dangerous -- doesn't mean that I'm going to get hurt every time drive at that time of day. But, if I do something stupid - like drive drunk, or read my Kindle while in traffic, etc - I increase my changes of injuring or killing myself or someone like me.

If reloading wasn't inherently dangerous we would turn to our 6 year old kid and tell them, "Hey Junior, go load me up 100 rounds for my Winchester tonight. Set them on the kitchen table and I'll grab them in the morning on the way to the deer lease." Then we could go to bed early and sleep in total peace, right?

Piller was right in what he said. I wouldn't cross the street with my eyes closed. I wouldn't drive drunk. And I wouldn't tell my wife I forgot her birthday with a smirk on my face. :D
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Question Bob, And just how many vehicles and/or drivers have been banned from the road in Canada? None! Yet Canadians have to put up with a virtual gun ban. Sorry for stealing the post.....
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