The new 2012 Marlin catalog is out

Warhawk · Post by **Warhawk** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:07 am

http://www.thedigitaleditiononline.com/ ... =89652&p=7

I noticed a few things ... in leverguns, probably missed a few too

No 1894SS ... stainless .44
No 1894cSS ... stainless 357
No 1895 Cowboy
Looks like the 1894 Cowboy is available only in .45 Colt, but the catalog is confusing
No 338MX rifles
No 444 rifles
No 450M rifles

The 336W and 336Y now come with laminated stocks

1894c · Post by **1894c** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:00 am

thanks for posting the link--I looked too and I think you got it about right--no more Marlin 444--wow, is that the end of a great option? But they still will have the 336 in 35 Remington (must be something about that name). Looks like REM-Marlin is keeping what sells, surprised at the dropping of some of the stainless models... :)

Post by **Old Savage** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:43 am

Stainless - 1894SSc 357 is interesting. maybe one of the best all around guns going.

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:28 am

Warhawk wrote:No 444 rifles

Hmmmmm , if thats the case the bulk of my accumulation just went up in value !

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:24 pm

In reading this post and having read the blurb about Marlin in the recent AR or Rifle magazine (can't recall which), I'd say Marlington is trying to get back to making the rifles they can remember how to fit together. Basically, nobody moved to the new plant, all of the old timers took the package. There's just been an endless stream of posts in various places asking if Marlin still knows how to fit a lever action rifle together. It's been about ill-fitted stocks, poor machining, crooked barrel, crooked sight, etc.

Now that Rossi is making Marlin's and possibly making them better than Marlin, the end may be near. Still, there's a good supply of well built Marlins from the last 100+ years.

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:27 pm

Surprised the .444 is out, but not the other two cartridges. That's Freedom Group bean-counting at work.

.45colt · Post by **.45colt** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:12 pm

Right now on Gunbroker they have 178 Marlin 30-30's. Marlington can play it safe all it wants and if they drop the .338 EXPRESS they will have lost the best modern lever caliber concived in along time.

wecsoger · Post by **wecsoger** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:13 pm

As much as the new Marlin has been savaged here and on multiple other forums, a lot of us are waiting to see how things turn out.

Fortunately for me, I've got several set aside when I was in my buy-cheap-stack-deep phase.

I really, really hope Marlin pulls through. Right now I give them one to two years.

RustyJr · Post by **RustyJr** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:04 pm

I was skimming through a magazine recently, I think it was Rifle Magazine, had an article on the current Marlin situation. I believe that them not making the above mentioned rifles is only temporary. Supposedly they are trying to get all the machining up and running and as a result are only trying to concentrate on certain models. Least thats the "story". Like I said, didnt read the whole article. Hope they get their act together whatever it is.

RustyJr

2X22 · Post by **2X22** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:43 pm

wecsoger wrote:Fortunately for me, I've got several set aside when I was in my buy-cheap-stack-deep phase.

+1

2x22

Old Ranger · Post by **Old Ranger** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:44 pm

So the new cataloge is out eh? And many weapons are not among the listings? Is anyone really surprised with this? The Marlin Firearms that we knew is dead. The accountants killed it. It will not be brought back to life by Remington and their poor excuse of building weapons either. As so well put earlier, I too would give it a year or two and it will be dissolved...

BenT · Post by **BenT** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:06 pm

I would equate this to post 64 Winchesters. Different process for making the same rifle. Freedom group paid money for Marlin. The goal is to make money selling Marlin rifles, not close it down. I think it's good to focus on a few models and get them right first, We'll see how they look in a few years.

RIHMFIRE · Post by **RIHMFIRE** » Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:47 am

model 39a ang 1985sbl is on my list

Canuck Bob · Post by **Canuck Bob** » Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:56 pm

I've been hoping CNC and computerized manufacturing process' would save the mid priced working gun. I bought my 444 in the mid 70s because it offered real knockdown in a reasonably priced rifle. It was just before the 45-70 Marlin was released so it was the only game in town for a guy who wanted a big bore that was affordable.

I think the new masters will solve the problems and produce fine levers again. Sadly I don't know that yet. The cartridge thing doesn't surprise me at all. There are many chamberings that come and go rapidly these days. It costs serious money to tool and sell each chambering and a return to profit will require streamlining. Public demand will resurrect chamberings. Ruger chambered the N0.1 in 303 Brit because of a local Canadian dealer selling a 100 rifles, CNC at its best. The 444 had a long enough run and numbers that component supply doesn't worry me much. I would be worried if I owned some other chamberings.

Poohgyrr · Post by **Poohgyrr** » Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:15 pm

Old Savage wrote:Stainless - 1894SSc 357 is interesting. maybe one of the best all around guns going.

+1

El Chivo · Post by **El Chivo** » Sun Dec 25, 2011 7:39 pm

Re: The new 2012 Marlin catalog is out

I got mine and the pages all fell out

MrMurphy · Post by **MrMurphy** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:57 pm

As someone who used to work for a manufacturer......

CNC, programmed properly, has insanely high QC and is relatively cheap to operate. One machine will do many operations at once, over and over, perfectly, assuming you programmed it right. The vast amount of AR-15 manufacturers show what can be right and wrong when you use them.

I think right now, they're looking at building a couple models RIGHT instead of building all the models they used to WRONG.

If so, I can wait a couple years to pick up a new one to make sure they have all the bits and pieces where they should go.

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:12 pm

MrMurphy wrote:As someone who used to work for a manufacturer......

CNC, programmed properly, has insanely high QC and is relatively cheap to operate. One machine will do many operations at once, over and over, perfectly, assuming you programmed it right. The vast amount of AR-15 manufacturers show what can be right and wrong when you use them.

I think right now, they're looking at building a couple models RIGHT instead of building all the models they used to WRONG.

If so, I can wait a couple years to pick up a new one to make sure they have all the bits and pieces where they should go.

I used to work as a CNC Tech for a local company that manufactured valve blocks and master cylinders for brake systems of all the major auto manufacturers . Now I am quite certain we held our stuff to a higher tolernace as we dealt in MICRONS rather then thousandths or hundreths of an inch . But we were able to get a very reliable rate of production our parts were checked every 12th or 24th piece . Typically for one block there were no less then 36 checks that needed to be taken . This had little to do with the programs as we always had those ironed out before going into production . Our worries came from tool wear and breakage .

"If" I were to make a guess I would say Remlin just wasn't checking their parts or even knew what to check .

pricedo · Post by **pricedo** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:20 pm

Re: The new 2012 Marlin catalog is out

The Remlin catalog is out.

Great info for somebody who cares...........which I don't.

Won't be buying any new Marlins (post 2008) till the quality control issues at the new Remington factory are fixed.

Lots of good JM Marlins on the used racks.

Just check em over really good & test fire them if possible before you lay your greenbacks/plastic down to make sure you're not buying someone elses disaster.

NEVER buy used stuff by mail order.

Mutt · Post by **Mutt** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:09 pm

I wasn't aware that Rossi is making the Marlins...........( Now that Rossi is making Marlin's and possibly making them better than Marlin), "from rimfire Mcnutjob's Post"

..Mutt

Post by **Hobie** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:13 pm

Mutt wrote:I wasn't aware that Rossi is making the Marlins...........( Now that Rossi is making Marlin's and possibly making them better than Marlin), "from rimfire Mcnutjob's Post"

..Mutt

More correctly, Rossi is making Marlin clones. I am nonplussed. Why?

pricedo · Post by **pricedo** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:04 pm

Hobie wrote:
Mutt wrote:I wasn't aware that Rossi is making the Marlins...........( Now that Rossi is making Marlin's and possibly making them better than Marlin), "from rimfire Mcnutjob's Post"

..Mutt
More correctly, Rossi is making Marlin clones. I am nonplussed. Why?

nonplussed?

If that means happy then I agree.

We need a source of good "336ish" leverguns somewhere that you don't have to send back 3 or 4 times or repair yourself right out of the box before you can shoot them.

If a Brazilian company like Rossi can make credible (& cheaper) 336s why can't Remington?

Chas. · Post by **Chas.** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:07 pm

Interesting that their website doesn't reflect the same products as their catalog. The 1895 Cowboy in 45-70 is still on the website.

tman · Post by **tman** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:25 pm

El Chivo wrote:
Re: The new 2012 Marlin catalog is out

I got mine and the pages all fell out

tomtex · Post by **tomtex** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:27 pm

Old Ranger wrote:So the new cataloge is out eh? And many weapons are not among the listings? Is anyone really surprised with this? The Marlin Firearms that we knew is dead. The accountants killed it. It will not be brought back to life by Remington and their poor excuse of building weapons either. As so well put earlier, I too would give it a year or two and it will be dissolved...

Well Ranger, they must make a profit.

tomtex · Post by **tomtex** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:29 pm

tman wrote:
El Chivo wrote:
Re: The new 2012 Marlin catalog is out

I got mine and the pages all fell out

They don't make the catalog.