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Hit the range for a couple of hours this afternoon with three rifles. One was a Yugo M24/47 Mauser in 8x57 I got in a trade a month or so ago. I picked up 2 boxes (20rds/box) of 1950s Yugo 8x57, forgetting it is LOUSY stuff. I don't know if it was not stored properly or what, but most rounds require a second strike to fire. Of course I forgot about this problem until I was at the range.
Out of 20 rounds in the first box, only 3 fired the first time. I even developed a pretty good rhythm with it. Chamber a round, sight, pull trigger, lift the bolt handle with the offhand just enough to reset the sear then pull trigger again. One time I got sloppy. On the second round of a three round group I just kept it pointed down range, lifted my head a bit instead of bearing down for a sight picture and pulled the trigger expecting to have to reset the sear except this round went "bang" the first time.
Now technically I was not sighting in on the target but I did hit near it. I don't think it was an AD as I was in the process of shooting. I don't know if it would qualify as negligent as I had the rifle pointed downrange at the target in case it fired the first time and was ready to fire except I was expecting the usual click and no bang with this ammo and the range was live.
So was it an AD, a ND or something altogether different?
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awp101 wrote:On the second round of a three round group I just kept it pointed down range, lifted my head a bit instead of bearing down for a sight picture and pulled the trigger expecting to have to reset the sear except this round went "bang" the first time.
So was it an AD, a ND or something altogether different?
Neither. Unaimed fire. You had the gun pointed downrange and purposely pulled the trigger. An "AD", IMO is when you chamber a round and without doing anything else, the round fires. A "ND", IMO, is when you unthinkingly, or unknowingly pull the trigger.
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awp101 wrote:On the second round of a three round group I just kept it pointed down range, lifted my head a bit instead of bearing down for a sight picture and pulled the trigger expecting to have to reset the sear except this round went "bang" the first time.
So was it an AD, a ND or something altogether different?
Neither. Unaimed fire. You had the gun pointed downrange and purposely pulled the trigger. An "AD", IMO is when you chamber a round and without doing anything else, the round fires. A "ND", IMO, is when you unthinkingly, or unknowingly pull the trigger.
I fully agree that it's neither--just like you said--lousy ammo from ther last century--nice gun though my friend has one and it's a shooter... :)
Doesn't matter - you had it pointed in a safe place.
By the way, I've had very good luck with the 1990s production Yugo 8mm ammo. That 1950s stuff has gone bad but they keep offering it up for sale everywhere.
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awp101 wrote: An "AD", IMO is when you chamber a round and without doing anything else, the round fires. A "ND", IMO, is when you unthinkingly, or unknowingly pull the trigger.
No one was harmed and and nothing was damaged, but it was not your intent for the firearm to discharge when you pulled the trigger according to a the pattern you had established.
It wasn't an accident because you fully intended to pull the trigger with a live round in the chamber, and it may have been unaimed fire but it wasn't deliberate because you weren't expecting it to go off.
I'd call it a ND, only because of your momentary lapse in attending your established cycle of operation.
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I'd call it a ND, only because of your momentary lapse in attending your established cycle of operation.
That's what I was thinking and it's also what got me irritated at myself about it. I let my guard down and could have got bit. I get real picky about that kind of stuff and I wondered if I wasn't being to hard on myself over it.
ollogger, not that it has anything to do with the price of rice in China, I'm 40. I guess after 30+ years of shooting I joined the ND club...
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This running with the Joneses boy
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Not feeling particularly judgmental tonight - just seems like it went off in the course of some testing your were doing. No apparent danger and it would seem you had no way to know which strike it would go off on and you weren't particularly target shooting. So just a round down range. Negligent would involve creating a danger. I don't see it that way but - if you want to be a stickler for the preconceived classifications be my guest.
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I guess after 30+ years of shooting I joined the ND club... 
