What kind of rifle is this Apache holding?

jnyork · Post by **jnyork** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:40 pm

Roller?

Borregos · Post by **Borregos** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:41 pm

That is a good question, I haven't got a clue

65bee · Post by **65bee** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:52 pm

It looks like a Remington Rider (Ryder), not sure of the spelling.

pdentrem · Post by **pdentrem** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:34 pm

On first glance I was thinking a Lee single shot but it does not match the pictures that I found, nor does it match any rifles in de Haas "Single Shot Rifles and Actions" that I have. So I am stumped.
Pierre

Post by **Hobie** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:39 pm

Looks like a Stevens tip-up or copy.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:42 pm

My Lee had a longer octagon barrel.

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:59 pm

I`m with Hobie. Stevens tip up.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:01 pm

An unloaded one. Otherwise there wouldn't be a pic and photographer would be bald ......

Joe

Leverluver · Post by **Leverluver** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:06 pm

Worfline (sp)

FatJackDurham · Post by **FatJackDurham** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:08 pm

Not a stevens tip up.... The location of the trigger on a stevens is below the hammer. In this picture, also, the "forend" is longer than a stevens tip up. I thought that was it, too, till I started comparing the pictures.

jdad · Post by **jdad** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:09 pm

Stevens tip up

FatJackDurham · Post by **FatJackDurham** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:17 pm

Sharps and hankins it is! All the angles match.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/archive/200802A40.html

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:18 pm

My guess was some kind of Sharps and Hankins, but some of he lines don't quite match? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/archive/200802A40.html

FatJackDurham · Post by **FatJackDurham** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:21 pm

I think its close. To me, the reciever, the curve of the trigger and the hammer location are all really close, as is the look of the long barrel....Only the angle and style of the stock is different.

FatJackDurham · Post by **FatJackDurham** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:23 pm

Especially, the rear of the trigger guard. Look on the apaches lap, see the shadow and dip of the reciever? Dead match for the sharps and hankins.

FatJackDurham · Post by **FatJackDurham** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:27 pm

Here is another

http://www.nramuseum.org/the-museum/the ... rbine.aspx

FatJackDurham · Post by **FatJackDurham** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:37 pm

http://www.lasc.us/taylorearlysingleshot.htm

Btw, here is a nice list of "other" lever single shot rifles!

Post by **Hobie** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:50 pm

This particular photographer did a lot of NAs all with the same rifle. I didn't have time to find the other photos but I think they are on the internet.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:54 pm

What makes you think he is of the people (Apache)?

JerryB · Post by **JerryB** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:04 pm

Maybe not Apache but a southwest indian by the way he is dressed.

MrMurphy · Post by **MrMurphy** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:16 pm

I thought it was a Smith breechloader.

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:11 pm

1862 Sharps & Hankins Rifle Serial No. 1 . Yup !! You are right. Not a Stevens.

FatJackDurham · Post by **FatJackDurham** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:57 am

Mescalero wrote:What makes you think he is of the people (Apache)?

One of the words you can read in the photo appears to say "Apachea"

Winnetou · Post by **Winnetou** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:14 am

It looks like a Frank Wesson. The forward “trigger”, which is visible in the photograph, unlocks the tip-up action. The actual trigger, which is behind and below it, is hidden by the fold in the blanket.

rangerider7 · Post by **rangerider7** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:35 am

It is on the Internet on EBay. Here is what the owner says about it.

Stunning photograph of armed Head Chief of the Warm Springs Apache "Ka-e-te-nay" or "Ge-it-en-eh" ("Fights Without Arrows" or "Cartridges All Gone") by A. Frank Randall of Willcox, Arizona Territory c. 1880s. He was a member of Nana's and Geronimo's band in the early 1880s, and he escaped with Geronimo to the San Carlos Reservation in 1883. He succeeded Victorio as head chief of the Warm Spring Apache (sub group of the Chiricahua). He married "Gouyen" during that war period.

He wears a bandana, vest, blanket, and "cactus kicker" moccasins. He also holds a rifle across his lap. Titled in negative with Randall's purple oval studio stamp verso. Super tone and contrast with edge wear and pinhole at top.

pdentrem · Post by **pdentrem** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:45 am

How about a Frank Wesson Rhode Island Militia carbine like here, it has the barrel stud, rear sight might be just by the left hand thumb and the boss in front of the finger loop is visible. It is the sixth picture down.

http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/Sporting ... esson.html

Post by **Hobie** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:10 am

Here's another photo, same photographer and most likely same rifle to left of the photo in question...

And here's a photo of a Frank Wesson Tip-up Rifle....

FrankWessontipup.jpg

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:50 am

With the second picture....the Frank Wesson tip up seems to be the one. The second trigger/guard was obscured with the first picture. Mescalero.....please tell us more about this guy. What are your thoughts?

FatJackDurham · Post by **FatJackDurham** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:56 pm

It does look similar to the stevens, doesnt it? Oh well, I thought it looked like that Hankins.... never heard of the Frank Wesson till now. Gotta love this forum!!!!

Lefty Dude · Post by **Lefty Dude** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:32 pm

FatJackDurham wrote:It does look similar to the stevens, doesnt it? Oh well, I thought it looked like that Hankins.... never heard of the Frank Wesson till now. Gotta love this forum!!!!

Think, early model H & R Handi-Rifle,

AKA/ Harrington & Wesson

1894c · Post by **1894c** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:55 pm

love history...thanks for sharing... :)

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