Henry 1860

[sullkat]

The Henry 1860 will be at the NRA show and expected shipping will begin this summer.

[AJMD429]

Is this the one...? http://www.uberti.com/firearms/1860-henry.php

[pshort]

Howdy Folks,
I've been hearing our NJ Henry is coming out with an 1860.. I haven't seen any details..

Paul

[olyinaz]

Is this the one...? http://www.uberti.com/firearms/1860-henry.php

Like that yes, but supposedly U.S. made by Henry. I'm intrigued!

[Buck Elliott]

I am fully prepared to be seriously underwhelmed...

[Terry Murbach]

I am fully prepared to be seriously underwhelmed...

BINGO ! FOR THE ELLIOTT KID FROM THE WYO WESTERN RANGE.

[.45colt]

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[C. Cash]

If its a serious attempt at an 1860, it will be hard to resist. This company prides itself on making guns here, and that makes it that much more appealing. Hope they do it and do it right.

[Pete44ru]

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FWIW - While the current Henry Repeating Arms Co does indeed "make" all their firearms in the USA, the guns aren't completely made in their plant ( first located in Brooklyn, NYC; NY, now in Bayonne, NJ ).

The barrels are sourced from "our plant in Ohio", per the HRA Prexy in a 30-min Travel Channel CATV ad/program last week, besides other parts from PA & a few other US states mentioned.

The show illustrated & talked about the proprietary hardening process Henry uses for the solid brass CF Big Boy receivers, so I would presume the upcoming 1860 Model would also be so treated.

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[buckeyeshooter]

I shoot a uberti 1866 goldenboy for CAS. It has been a great rifle. I lust for the steel frame version. I will look at the Henry version --- hopefully it will be a quality made gun. Gotta be 38-40 or 44-40 though!

[Terry Murbach]

THE VERY THOUGHT of an 1860 or 1873 Uberti preferred ] in 38-40 makes my dobber quiver ! A carbine.....with good sights.....nice wood....action as smooth as a baby's pink sweet patootie.....and the 10M 180GR LFN bullets that are languishing in the shop.....oh my.....be still my heart......stay calm....it is far too early for a sip of corn.....

[C. Cash]

Always good to see your fire a burnin Terry! My first thought is 44 Special.

[Griff]

I am fully prepared to be seriously underwhelmed...

+1. But, I'm also prepared to take back much of what I've said in the past. IF, they do a true 1860!

THE VERY THOUGHT of an 1860 or 1873 Uberti preferred ] in 38-40 makes my dobber quiver ! A carbine.....with good sights.....nice wood....action as smooth as a baby's pink sweet patootie.....and the 10M 180GR LFN bullets that are languishing in the shop.....oh my.....be still my heart......stay calm....it is far too early for a sip of corn.....

Hmmm, a Trapper length that can be converted to the C45S! Just might see my Uberti toggle-links regulated to "back-up" status!

[rbertalotto]

1866 in 38-40....Just don't get no better!





And you know as well as I do that the "Henry" won't have a proper swival magazine tube....It will be about 8% too big......and cost as much as a Uberti.

"Prepare to be underwhelmed!" (Love it!)

[pshort]

Howdy,
I believe the '60 is a "tube" loader, like the original, so be underwhelmed if you need to be!
I'd like to see one of the new Winchester '73's......

Paul

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

Howdy,
I believe the '60 is a "tube" loader, so be underwhelmed if you need to be!
I'd like to see one of the new Winchester '73's......

Paul

So was the original.

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FWIW - While the current Henry Repeating Arms Co does indeed "make" all their firearms in the USA, the guns aren't completely made in their plant ( first located in Brooklyn, NYC; NY, now in Bayonne, NJ ).

The barrels are sourced from "our plant in Ohio", per the HRA Prexy in a 30-min Travel Channel CATV ad/program last week, besides other parts from PA & a few other US states mentioned.

The show illustrated & talked about the proprietary hardening process Henry uses for the solid brass CF Big Boy receivers, so I would presume the upcoming 1860 Model would also be so treated.

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It's not Brass. It is some sort of ferrous metal that appears to be brass. It's not plated either. I drilled the tang on one for a tang mounted marbles peep. A magnet sticks, even the chips. I think it's the same material that Treso used for their percussion nipples call ampco, I think.

[Ji in Hawaii]

It's not Brass. It is some sort of ferrous metal that appears to be brass. It's not plated either. I drilled the tang on one for a tang mounted marbles peep. A magnet sticks, even the chips. I think it's the same material that Treso used for their percussion nipples call ampco, I think.

You got me curious so I looked up Ampco, and was impressed with the allows they had available their specialty being copper alloys.
http://www.ampcometal.com/en/index.php?page=am4ext They offer several alloys in what they call their Aluminum bronze. Of several alloys in this series I see that most contain iron. Here's a make up of their M4 alloy:

Nominal composition:

Aluminium (Al) 10.5%
Iron (Fe) 4.8%
Nickel (Ni) 5.0%
Manganese (Mn) 1.5%
Others max. 0.5%
Copper (Cu) balance

The patented process gives AMPCO® M4 mechanical properties beyond the range of commercial nickelaluminium bronzes, comparable to beryllium copper at a lower cost and without the beryllium copper industrial hygiene requirements.

Application

AMPCO® M4 was initially developed as an aircraft specification alloy for gears in retractable landing assemblies, engine spacer bearings and other similar applications. It is rapidly growing in use where higher mechanical properties at elevated temperatures together with corrosion-resistant properties are required.
Typical applications include aircraft landing gear bearings and bushings, bending dies (shoes and mandrels) for the tube bending industry, gear wheels and wear/guide plates, etc..

[olyinaz]

I am fully prepared to be seriously underwhelmed...

Yes indeed, but one never knows? They certainly have plenty of examples from Winchester and the Italians to compare theirs to so there'll be no excuse for ugly or ridiculous design choices. Given their track record...

[olyinaz]

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FWIW - While the current Henry Repeating Arms Co does indeed "make" all their firearms in the USA, the guns aren't completely made in their plant (first located in Brooklyn, NY, now in Bayonne, NJ).

The barrels are sourced from "our plant in Ohio", per the HRA Prexy in a 30-min Travel Channel CATV ad/program last week, besides other parts from PA & a few other US states mentioned.

The show illustrated & talked about the proprietary hardening process Henry uses for the solid brass CF Big Boy receivers, so I would presume the upcoming 1860 Model would also be so treated.

It's not Brass. It is some sort of ferrous metal that appears to be brass. It's not plated either. I drilled the tang on one for a tang mounted marbles peep. A magnet sticks, even the chips. I think it's the same material that Treso used for their percussion nipples call ampco, I think.

A type of bronze that is very brassy in color. A good bit of iron and nickel in there which would, I assume, make it attract a magnet. Very tough stuff! A great choice if that's what they're using.

[hightime]

A day late and a dollar short, I couldn't wait.
I have been quite happy with my 44-40.

[Driftwood Johnson]

Howdy

Couldn't care less. After years and years of misleading advertising from them, they will never see one red cent of my money. I'll stick with my Uberti made 44-40 iron frame Henry.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

It's not Brass. It is some sort of ferrous metal that appears to be brass. It's not plated either. I drilled the tang on one for a tang mounted marbles peep. A magnet sticks, even the chips. I think it's the same material that Treso used for their percussion nipples call ampco, I think.

You got me curious so I looked up Ampco, and was impressed with the allows they had available their specialty being copper alloys.
http://www.ampcometal.com/en/index.php?page=am4ext They offer several alloys in what they call their Aluminum bronze. Of several alloys in this series I see that most contain iron. Here's a make up of their M4 alloy:

Nominal composition:

Aluminium (Al) 10.5%
Iron (Fe) 4.8%
Nickel (Ni) 5.0%
Manganese (Mn) 1.5%
Others max. 0.5%
Copper (Cu) balance

The patented process gives AMPCO® M4 mechanical properties beyond the range of commercial nickelaluminium bronzes, comparable to beryllium copper at a lower cost and without the beryllium copper industrial hygiene requirements.

Application

AMPCO® M4 was initially developed as an aircraft specification alloy for gears in retractable landing assemblies, engine spacer bearings and other similar applications. It is rapidly growing in use where higher mechanical properties at elevated temperatures together with corrosion-resistant properties are required.
Typical applications include aircraft landing gear bearings and bushings, bending dies (shoes and mandrels) for the tube bending industry, gear wheels and wear/guide plates, etc..

I really don't know for sure if that is the same stuff. But, whatever it is it's a lot stronger than the Uberti brass frame guns.

[hightime]

It doesn't matter as long as the brass framed Uberti never breaks. I'm sure it won't.

Owen

[Terry Murbach]

It doesn't matter as long as the brass framed Uberti never breaks. I'm sure it won't.

Owen

THIS IS A BET EASILY LOST, SIR !!! AND IT FOR DARN SURE DOES MATTER !!

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

It doesn't matter as long as the brass framed Uberti never breaks. I'm sure it won't.

Owen

THIS IS A BET EASILY LOST, SIR !!! AND IT FOR DARN SURE DOES MATTER !!

I agree. I have now had 3 different 66's and 1860's here because the frames were stretched from overloaded ammo. I managed to fix them but it required forging the frames back straight and adding custom made short stroke toggle links to correct headspace.

[hightime]

I stand corrected . Is this something that can happen with medium loads? How can they sell these guns?

Owen

[Terry Murbach]

I stand corrected . Is this something that can happen with medium loads? How can they sell these guns?

Owen

THOSE GUNS PASSED CIP PROOF WHICH IS HIGHER THAN SAAMI PROOF IN THE USA. NO ONE SAID THAT THE GUNS STEVE---NATE KIOWA JONES-- NOTED WERE SCREWED UP WITH " MEDIUM LOADS." YOU CAN BET YOUR RANCH THAT THE 45COLT LOADS I USE IN MY 1866 CARBINE ARE UNDER STANDARD SAAMI MAX PRESSURE SPECS AND I TESTED 'EM IN THE PRESSURE LAB WAY BACK WHEN. THOSE SPECS WILL STILL TAKE 250gr LFN 45COLT PROJECTILES UP TO 1200fps IN THE 19" BARREL ON MY CARBINE. CONSIDER THIS THOUGH: 1100fps WILL PUT THOSE PROJECTILES COMPLETELY THROUGH ANY GAME ANIMAL IN NORTH AMERICA. MATTTER OF FACT [ NOW PAY ATTENTION..] , JOHN LINEBAUGH SHOWED THAT THOSE 250gr SLUGS WILL DO THAT AT 900fps.

[Mescalero]

Nate,
I am surprised to note the absence of sulpher from the chemical/metalurgical composition.

[Griff]

I stand corrected . Is this something that can happen with medium loads? How can they sell these guns?
Owen

...because the frames were stretched from overloaded ammo...

Please note the colorized, bolded, italicized, and underlined text. I know folks that have been shooting brass-framed Henry's and mdl '66s for many, many years. Without a problem.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

I stand corrected . Is this something that can happen with medium loads? How can they sell these guns?
Owen

...because the frames were stretched from overloaded ammo...

Please note the colorized, bolded, italicized, and underlined text. I know folks that have been shooting brass-framed Henry's and mdl '66s for many, many years. Without a problem.

Of the three, one guy admitted it, one guy bought it like that so he didn't know and one guy swore it was normal loads and use. I don't think he wanted to fess up.

The thing I have see with this style action even with the steel frame 73's is the CAS guys that shoot a lot. I'm guessing 2000, 3000 or more rounds per month. I've seen these gun shoot loose even with down loaded 38 spec. But, it only makes sense. You have 6 hinge points in the lockup. Each one wearing just slightly with each shot. I have had them here that had more than 30-40,000 rounds in just a few years and had shot loose growing headspace.
Luckily it's not the hard to fix. I just contact Joe at Pioneer Gun Works and have him make longer short stroke links.

[hightime]

''It doesn't matter as long as the brass framed Uberti never breaks. I'm sure it won't.''

So what I should have said, It makes little difference to me.

Owen

[Peter M. Eick]

I looked at the new Henry, Henry 1860 at the NRA show today.

I was not enthused.

The roll mark on the barrel raised a lot of metal around the text and looked cheezy.

The side panels are wavy and don't look well fitted.

The receiver shows rough edges in my opinion.

It was under glass so you could not handle it. $2300 if I remember right on the price. Since I was not impressed I really did not note it much. It was a 44/40.

I walked over and handled an Uberti Iron frame like my Cimarron right afterwards. Crisp fine lettering. Straight side frame and receivers with no waves from over polishing. Tight fit on the side plates and tastefully rounded broken edges of the receiver. I would stay with Uberti myself.

[Buck Elliott]

The "Henry" folks have always mistaken a high polish for an actual finish.. Too bad.. from a pure manufacturing standpoint, they started with a white paper, and have pretty much left it blank..