MODEL 92'S

4t5 · Post by **4t5** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:20 pm

wHO PRODUCES THE BEST MODEL 92... AS FAR AS FIT AND FINISH GOES?, THINK'N OF GETTING ONE TO HUNT DEER WITH.THANKS

Terry Murbach · Post by **Terry Murbach** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:25 pm

BROWNING...

stormspotter · Post by **stormspotter** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:52 pm

Browning!!!

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:57 pm

winchester the old ones

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:10 pm

1970's-era Brownings, bar none.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:17 pm

Grizz wrote:winchester the old ones

+1

Jeff Quinn · Post by **Jeff Quinn** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:14 pm

The slickest 92 replicas that I have ever handled are the new Cimarrons.
http://www.gunblast.com/Cimarron-1892.htm
Note that in the video, I am cycling semi-wadcutter ammo through the gun. Every new Cimarron that I have handled has been this slick.

Lastmohecken · Post by **Lastmohecken** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:41 pm

Another vote for Browning.

Buckeye · Post by **Buckeye** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:09 pm

If you want a huntin 92 ,get yourself a Puma in 44 Mag. or 454..
If you spend that Dough Roll on a Browing all you'll have is a safe Queen.

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:06 am

If we're talking modern 92's, it's Browning.

Buckeye · Post by **Buckeye** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:29 am

http://onfinite.com/libraries/1333789/9c3.jpg
My Interarms Arms Model 65SRC (pre-saftey) 44 Mag.

piller · Post by **piller** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:56 am

If you want one just simply to hunt with, the Puma works pretty good. As 86er can attest, mine in .480 Ruger with 400 grain handloads took a water buffalo. It worked perfectly as far as the mechanical parts go. The user is another matter.

Lefty Dude · Post by **Lefty Dude** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:03 am

Buckeye wrote:http://onfinite.com/libraries/1333789/9c3.jpg
My Interarms Arms Model 65SRC (pre-saftey) 44 Mag.

I have one in 44-40, like the above and it is a "tack-driving shooter".

If I find a Browning BL-92 at a good price in 44-40, well I would buy it in a New York Minute.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:05 am

A Browning as a safe queen? Poppycock! They are tools to be used and appreciated, not hidden away like some fragile trinket.

Joe

Post by **Old Savage** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:17 am

Right on Joe.

GANJIRO · Post by **GANJIRO** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:29 am

MIROKU!

getitdone1 · Post by **getitdone1** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:21 pm

Browning.

Seen either Pumas or Rossi's recently in Gander Mt. store. The steel butt plate stuck-out beyond the wood--at the toe--about 1/8". Not for me. How far off are other things with these guns?

Don McCullough

Buckeye · Post by **Buckeye** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:42 pm

getitdone1 wrote:Browning.

Seen either Pumas or Rossi's recently in Gander Mt. store. The steel butt plate stuck-out beyond the wood--at the toe--about 1/8". Not for me. How far off are other things with these guns?

Don McCullough

They must have lots of problems...being they Handle 62000 PSI with the 454 cartrigde.

Rexster · Post by **Rexster** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:52 pm

I would not be too worried about an ill-fitting steel butt plate on a working gun, as it could be removed, the butt re-faced, and a real working pad installed anyway. (Not saying I would do this to a vintage Winchester!) My wife likes her Rossi '92 .357 well enough, though it has not seen hard use, and I have thought about getting one for myself. I keep going to a local dealer to look for a Marlin .357, but keep seeing the Pumas, while they can never seem to get any Marlins, or at least can't keep them in stock when they do arrive.

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:16 pm

I got a PM about this topic asking for my input. From my perspective there is some good info presented here but there is also some that is not so good.
I think this thread should maybe run a bit more before I weigh in. Maybe a few more misconceptions (at least to me) will come out.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:20 pm

[tongue-in-cheek]If I were a dem I could vote again for the Winchester as being the best, but since I can't the poor 'ol lowly lonely Winchester ranks at the BOTTOM and was VOTED OFF by the Foreign Idols.

I can't believe it !!!

:( [/tongue-in-cheek]

Poohgyrr · Post by **Poohgyrr** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 3:36 pm

4t5 wrote:wHO PRODUCES THE BEST MODEL 92... AS FAR AS FIT AND FINISH GOES?,

I have two (blued with CCH receiver) EMFs tuned by Nate and they "fit" well and the finish is perfect (parts fit and they look like good working 92's). Also have a Miroku that shoots well for me and seems "fitted" well, but it is a lot more "shiny" than I like.

I shoot the EMFs much more often.

rangerider7 · Post by **rangerider7** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 3:59 pm

I have three old Winchester 92s. They are the best IMHO. I have owned a Rossi and a Cimarron. The Rossi was a good shooting carbine as is the Cimarron. The Cimarron looks and feels like a Winchester 1892 with it's casehardening and wood, the Rossi does not. I'm not a gunsmith so as for the insides someone else will have to sign in on that. The Cimarron cost twice as much but the action is smoother than the NIB Rossi. Both were 357 SRCs. I still have the Cimarron.

JerryB · Post by **JerryB** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:31 pm

I have two '92's. I bought my first 92 in the 1950's, a 24 inch round barrel 32-20,yes it's smooth and still shoot great. The other one is an early Rossi from Interarms in .357 that had less than a box run through it when I got it a few months ago. It will be as slick as the old one (maybe) after I order a copy of the DVD from Nate. I reckon it is a choice for each one to make.

Dastook · Post by **Dastook** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:35 pm

I have two Rossi 92's, 357 and 45C. 1886 Miroku 45/70 and Marlin 94. All are great shooters. The greatest is actually the Rossi 357. The fit and finish is not as fine on the Rossi's as the 1886 but not by much. The Rossi's are as fine as the Marlin in fit and finish. Maybe I was just lucky on the ones I bought cause I have seen some not as good. The Rossi's were a lot less money. IMHO they are the best true value. I can't stand it, NKJ please weigh in.

Caco · Post by **Caco** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:02 pm

Thought the Miroukos -spelling???- had the rebounding trigger design like the last win. The fit and finish including machinig varies with the rossi's, but the latter ones arn't bad. Just as a side note, if your gun can handel the 454 it's not whimpy junk

Dave

kaschi · Post by **kaschi** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:27 pm

Aren't the Italian made ones(Cimmaron?) supposed to be different internally as compared to the other 92 clones? I'm pretty sure Nate knows the answer to that one.

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:37 pm

I am with Nate, he needs to let everyone vent

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:56 pm

Fit & Finish? Probably Browning.

But I really don't care all that much about "fit & finish".

I like Form & Function. Heck, I had Steve bead blast OFF all the "finish" on My 92...

If I get a gun that has 100% Form & Function for 1/2 the cost of a gun that has 100% Fit & Finish, I'm plenty happy.

I'm only gonna bugger up the finish anyway.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:01 pm

The man asked:

4t5 wrote:wHO PRODUCES THE BEST MODEL 92... AS FAR AS FIT AND FINISH GOES?,

As in, the present tense. Gangiro is correct, if... the newest ones with Winchester on the barrel are, or can be judged, comparable to prior issue from this gunmaker with the Browning label.

As the Rossis and ArmiSports I've seen & handled, have fallen short, in my opinion, of that fairly high standard, I'd concur.

All the above DOES NOT MEAN, either of the last two I named are not a good value.

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:23 am

4t5 wrote:wHO PRODUCES THE BEST MODEL 92... AS FAR AS FIT AND FINISH GOES?, THINK'N OF GETTING ONE TO HUNT DEER WITH.THANKS

What do you mean by fit and finish?

Jeff Quinn wrote:The slickest 92 replicas that I have ever handled are the new Cimarrons.
http://www.gunblast.com/Cimarron-1892.htm
Note that in the video, I am cycling semi-wadcutter ammo through the gun. Every new Cimarron that I have handled has been this slick.

Does fit and finish have anything to do with how it feels?

Lefty Dude wrote:
Buckeye wrote:http://onfinite.com/libraries/1333789/9c3.jpg
My Interarms Arms Model 65SRC (pre-saftey) 44 Mag.
I have one in 44-40, like the above and it is a "tack-driving shooter".

If I find a Browning BL-92 at a good price in 44-40, well I would buy it in a New York Minute.

Hi lefty,
Hope you're not holding your breath. Browning never made a B 92 in 44-40. If you find one and it still has the original barrel on it you can bet someone reamed the chamber, but if they didn't set the barral back about .600" the front of the chamber is going to be too big.

GANJIRO wrote:MIROKU!

Miruko Win. or Miruko Browning?

getitdone1 wrote:Browning.

Seen either Pumas or Rossi's recently in Gander Mt. store. The steel butt plate stuck-out beyond the wood--at the toe--about 1/8". Not for me. How far off are other things with these guns?

Don McCullough

Don,
The Puma is a Rossi imported by LSI and known as their Puma model.
You probably saw an older interarms imported rossi. They were notorious for using green wood and within a few years it would shrink leaving the plate proud.

I've started this thread about;
What does FIT and FINISH mean to you

Hopefully it will shed some light on what it means from different perspectives like, how does the gun look, how does the gun feel as in the action or balnace, how does it shoot, and one important to me, how well does it work and hold up over time.

Buckeye · Post by **Buckeye** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:58 am

If you order a gun or go to a dealer who has a limited selection fit and finish is a stuff shoot,I've picked up and purchased Marlins that look as is a child matched the forarm to the buttstock and I have a Marlin in 35 Rem. that has rough tool marks on the barrel that remind me of a Mosin -Nagant 91-30,Italian made reprodution o leverguns seem to have set a good mark, the 94 BB all that I have had the pleasure of owning all had great wood and a blue finish (almost black) that is 2nd. to none..
As for the metal finish the Rossi -Pumas are better than Marlin and are useally above average ,as for the wood its tuff and durable but not to pretty. Myself function is by far the most important thing to be considered in purchasing a gun .

Lastmohecken · Post by **Lastmohecken** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:15 pm

Buckeye wrote:If you want a huntin 92 ,get yourself a Puma in 44 Mag. or 454..
If you spend that Dough Roll on a Browing all you'll have is a safe Queen.

No! what you have is the best darned 92 ever made, people who only need a safe queen, might as well have a Puma, as it doesn't matter if a safe queen works or not.

Maybe I just have a bad taste in my mouth for Pumas, as I had two that were the jammingest pieces of junk I ever tried to run a shell through. I now have a Browning 92, and it's the slickest working gun I own. Yes, they are twice a high, as a Puma, but darned well worth it, IMHO.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:12 am

Lastmohecken wrote:
Buckeye wrote:If you want a huntin 92 ,get yourself a Puma in 44 Mag. or 454..
If you spend that Dough Roll on a Browing all you'll have is a safe Queen.
No! what you have is the best darned 92 ever made, people who only need a safe queen, might as well have a Puma, as it doesn't matter if a safe queen works or not.
Maybe I just have a bad taste in my mouth for Pumas, as I had two that were the jammingest pieces of junk I ever tried to run a shell through. I now have a Browning 92, and it's the slickest working gun I own. Yes, they are twice a high, as a Puma, but darned well worth it, IMHO.

I have 3 Rossis, knew what I was gettin' goin' in, and did the work necessary to make 'em run with the best of them. Got my first one for the wife in 1987, slicked it up, and within a year she was competitive in CAS on the National Level. Best finish @ EOT was 5th Ladies (I believe), bought my son his the following year, slicked it up with which he won his category @ EOT in 1990, and four years runnin' at the National Shootout in Raton, NM, 2 of which he won overall, (15 years old the last time). The last one was purchased as a combo hunting/CAS gun for my son & I.

Naw, with the right mechanicin' they can be right good guns. They probably won't ever win MANY beauty contests, but... then again, few race cars would either! And, had I spent the kinda money a Browning requires (even in the late 80's) I would have been very reluctant to attempt to slick it up to race with. I could've RUINED two Rossis and saved money over the Browning. (I don't know of any gunsmiths that were doing the work that Steve's doing now, back then).

RIHMFIRE · Post by **RIHMFIRE** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:19 am

JAP WINCHESTERS AND BROWNING

Jeeps · Post by **Jeeps** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:56 pm

FORD!!!!...........NO WAIT............CHEVY!!!!!!

GANJIRO · Post by **GANJIRO** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:02 pm

Nate Kiowa Jones wrote:
GANJIRO wrote:MIROKU!
Miruko Win. or Miruko Browning?

Quality of materials and workmanship MIROKU has been very consistent so the answer is both. Design wise the Browning is much closer to the original John M. created so it is preferred over the later Winchester commissioned MIROKU which have all the added superfluous "safety" features purists detest.

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:43 pm

GANJIRO wrote:
Nate Kiowa Jones wrote:
GANJIRO wrote:MIROKU!
Miruko Win. or Miruko Browning?

Quality of materials and workmanship MIROKU has been very consistent so the answer is both. Design wise the Browning is much closer to the original John M. created so it is preferred over the later Winchester commissioned MIROKU which have all the added superfluous "safety" features purists detest.

If fit and finish only means how the parts look all put together then I guess the miruko 92's are the best. But, fit and finish means more to me.
The gun should work right, too. The only ones that work right are the original, the Browning B92 and the Rossi. Of those the B92 is the best. Some of the originals suffer from inferior metal. The Rossi suffers from less than perfect fit and finish, but the metal is good and the insides are correctly configured though somewhat over sprung. They are mostly true to the original inside.
What I'm seeing with the Win Miruko and the Armi sport are reverse engineering design changes the facillitate production shortcuts or in the case of the Win/Miruko just too many add-on lawyer parts. So, it's not just a purist preference. Those small delicate add-on parts don't stand the test of time too well.

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:43 pm

Jeeps wrote:FORD!!!!...........NO WAIT............CHEVY!!!!!!

Mopar! No, Studebaker!

GANJIRO · Post by **GANJIRO** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:01 pm

Nate Kiowa Jones wrote: What I'm seeing with the Win Miruko and the Armi sport are reverse engineering design changes the facillitate production shortcuts or in the case of the Win/Miruko just too many add-on lawyer parts. So, it's not just a purist preference. Those small delicate add-on parts don't stand the test of time too well.

AMEN, I have no desire to ever purchase a Winchester Miroku 92 or 86 for this very reason, only problem is the Browning '86 prices are increasing faster than my Browning fund.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:08 pm

Nate Kiowa Jones wrote:...So, it's not just a purist preference. Those small delicate add-on parts don't stand the test of time too well.

Beyond the "normal" stuff I mentioned earlier (rebounder, tang "safety", etc, what other things should I be looking to swap out on my Win-86?

draperjojo · Post by **draperjojo** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:03 pm

I bought a Puma 357 that was a little slow to cycle cartridges, so I ordered Steve's DVD, reduced spring, and metal mag follower and its a slick little rifle now. I just mounted a Marbles Peep on it. I can't wait to do the Puma 454 with the same mods now. The guns are a good value, and fun to work on.

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