303 and Big Moose, maybe a record!

Canuck Bob · Post by **Canuck Bob** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:23 pm

http://www.whitehorsestar.com/archive/s ... ld-record/

This did my heart proud. A local newspaper printing a hunting story and a good old Canuck shooting a bragging bull with an iron sight 303 Lee Enfield. There is hope for this country yet!!!!

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:27 pm

A great report and some interesting comments too!...Thanks for posting..

Borregos · Post by **Borregos** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:51 pm

game keeper wrote:A great report and some interesting comments too!...Thanks for posting..

+1 from here

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:13 pm

Not that old bottle necked rimmed slow lumbering round shot from an old rear locking and cocking on forward bolt action!
Thats nearly as bad as using a levergun

At liest a levergun cocks on the bolts rearward stroke!

I do like these stories that contradict conventional wisdom

N.

piller · Post by **piller** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:43 pm

It appears that the .303 in the Lee Enfield does not know it is obsolete and too weak to do the job. All the articles that I read state that a moose will not fall to anything that is not a Magnum.

BigSky56 · Post by **BigSky56** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:30 pm

Nice bull great story, the comments are interesting some people go to the store for their meat and then rant on a guy that goes out and gets his, kinda like the knotheads that are against logging and live in wood houses. danny

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:07 pm

Wow! What a moose

ollogger · Post by **ollogger** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:56 pm

Great Bull From The Great White North
Hope it goes all the way for him

Any body read some of those comments?

ollogger

KWK · Post by **KWK** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:29 pm

Nath wrote:... an old rear locking and cocking on forward bolt action!

Would there were more like that! If all bolt actions were as smooth as an SMLE, I might have little interest in leverguns.

stretch · Post by **stretch** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:48 pm

That's a great story!

I hope he gets the record.

-Stretch

GoatGuy · Post by **GoatGuy** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:02 pm

ollogger wrote:Great Bull From The Great White North
Hope it goes all the way for him

Any body read some of those comments?

ollogger

Yeah, I did. Made me want to reply to those fools and, figuratively,
kick some of them in the caboose.

JayF in AZ · Post by **JayF in AZ** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:47 pm

Some of those people should move to Quebec

Canuck Bob · Post by **Canuck Bob** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:44 pm

The comments are typical but the way folks jumped on the idiots is refreshing. Knocking moose hunting in the Yukon is like knocking football in Texas! It could lead to capitol punishment. The article is a true hunting story. I liked when he said he knew he had him because of his aggressive behavior and tree knocking. The description of the bull closing and that rack swinging side to side in silence got my heart pounding.

A lot of arm chair experts regarding meat and such nonsense. My last bull was big by our local standards and certainly smelled like only a wet moose can smell. I was dating a gal with three hungry kids and they ate that beast for a long time and asked me for another one! It was deadly tasty bbq'ed and the butcher made a couple hundred pounds of pork assisted sausage, many pounds from the massive neck alone. It was dropped by a 444 by the way.

I do like cows and does for meat but the males are best harvested for the herd. A cattleman sells his steers and keeps his cows to build a herd. However, a young doe is some tasty and the best game I ever ate was from a buddies young cow elk.

It is interesting that the current record comes from Alaska and just over the line from this one. A smart man just might do some research for finding some B&C moose. I've never been a trophy hunter but as long as the meat is harvested I understand the pull. That rack would fill the whole wall of my house. I like that he is going to find a public place for display.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:03 pm

Ain't that somethin'! Hunting the way our granddaddies did with the open sights and a cartridge very near our own 30-40.

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Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:42 pm

piller wrote:It appears that the .303 in the Lee Enfield does not know it is obsolete and too weak to do the job. All the articles that I read state that a moose will not fall to anything that is not a Magnum.

Maybe the moose THOUGHT he was being stalked by a hunter with a magnum?

...or maybe he was overtaken by class alone.

piller · Post by **piller** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:38 pm

Rusty wrote:
piller wrote:It appears that the .303 in the Lee Enfield does not know it is obsolete and too weak to do the job. All the articles that I read state that a moose will not fall to anything that is not a Magnum.

Maybe the moose THOUGHT he was being stalked by a hunter with a magnum?

...or maybe he was overtaken by class alone.

Could be. I have never hunted moose, but I just can't believe all the articles that say how much power it takes to knock one down. How did humans keep from starving to death before the magnums were invented?

Canuck Bob · Post by **Canuck Bob** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:54 pm

Many locals who should know will say the elk is tougher than a moose. In my experience they are BIG and can absorb lead if the shooter is an iffy shot. Put a good hunting bullet were it belongs and most game drops quick. For years the 215 gr RN 303 was considered the ideal moose cartridge. However, moose are a heavy bush creature so long range is not usually an issue.

30-30 might be marginal for moose but thousands of moose have expired due to the 30-30 or 32 Special. In my opinion 7mm-08, 308 on up is plenty with proper bullets, heavier penetrating bullets. I suppose for past 250 yards the magnums have their place and I once used a 375 H&H and that is a game getter. My first choice is the 444.

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:51 pm

Wow, sorry to hear Canada has it's share of clueless dorks touting McDonald's fare over wild venison.

Canuck Bob · Post by **Canuck Bob** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:47 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:Wow, sorry to hear Canada has it's share of clueless dorks touting McDonald's fare over wild venison.

I suspect most countries have engineered and educated dorkness as a goal! We have a very strong anti-gun lobby that is steering us to European standards. But to rag on a guy for killing his supper while eating beef is just too stupid. It reminds me of the gal who was mad that deer crossing signs are put in the wrong place. She thought moving them to school crossings would be better!

tman · Post by **tman** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:48 pm

Actually MORE gun than he needed. More moose,big bear, and elk were killed with the .44/.50 caliber muzzleloader, 44-40 and 30-30 than any other 4 rounds you could group together. Some hunters know how to shoot and hunt and don't need magnums and premium bullets. Bet alot of elephants were sucessfully taken by poachers and farmers in Africa with the .303 British cause they could shoot, it was all they had, they were hungry, and didn't read gun rags.

piller · Post by **piller** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:53 pm

tman, I am sure the .303 and even other calibers can do the job. My comments were made in jest. I have seen a lot of times where the good folks here on the forum have tested bullets in water jugs and such. It is apparent that some bullets penetrate much better than the gun rags would be willing to admit to. It really comes down to their advertising sales being the driving force behind a lot of the calibers they want the reader to buy. I really don't think that dead moose cared what caliber it was since moose can't read the gun rags anyway.

bigbore442001 · Post by **bigbore442001** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:52 am

It was a nice story. I liked many aspects of it. The commentary just shows you that both of our societies have its fair share of idiots.

tman · Post by **tman** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:36 pm

piller wrote:tman, I am sure the .303 and even other calibers can do the job. My comments were made in jest. I have seen a lot of times where the good folks here on the forum have tested bullets in water jugs and such. It is apparent that some bullets penetrate much better than the gun rags would be willing to admit to. It really comes down to their advertising sales being the driving force behind a lot of the calibers they want the reader to buy. I really don't think that dead moose cared what caliber it was since moose can't read the gun rags anyway.

That's the way i took it. Nothing against the modern supermagnums, just like the old time lever guns. If I went out west to hunt elk, and only had 1 week, I'd chose a 300WM. with a 3x9 scope with superformance ammo, and spend the summer shooting at 400 yards +.

I don't like gunwriters' presuming that you are an unethical hunter, by choosing by their standards

outdated inadequate, but PROVEN over 100 years of sucessfully game taken by , in their opinion substandard calibers.

Centennial · Post by **Centennial** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:22 pm

That is quite a good hunting story, and shot with a old Lee Enfield , and the man wants to donate the antlers to where they can be seen by lots of people. His house is to small for them LOL

BrentD · Post by **BrentD** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:54 pm

I'll be in AK next year to hunt moose and I'll be happy to kill one with a rack the size of that one's brow tines...

That is a whopper of a moose and beautiful in shape and symmetry too.

ollogger · Post by **ollogger** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:27 pm

ollogger wrote:Great Bull From The Great White North
Hope it goes all the way for him

Any body read some of those comments?

ollogger

Glad it went all the way for him

ollogger

wvfarrier · Post by **wvfarrier** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:53 pm

Awesome but some of those comments were disturbing

CowboyTutt · Post by **CowboyTutt** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:38 pm

Great story! When I did some research on the 303 Brit I came away very impressed with its ballistics using its "heavy for caliber" bullet weight of 215 grains. Its one of the reasons I bought my Savage-made Enfield! Its a very capable cartridge with a decent bullet!!!!

-Tutt

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:16 pm

all the old cartridges and calibers are quite good enough......just like the modern ones......except when they arent ..... and then maybe nothing hand held would work.

i have knocked down moose with 338 and had them get right up,and be knocked down again.. have put three 338 right into the lungs of a smallish bull at 175 yards who walked on like nothing was happening for 30 yards or so and then dropped. all three hit within a 3" group

also had them go right down and never get up with 338s and also with 45/70 with 400 gr lead.

they all work quite well, except when they dont and who knows why

having noted that, i will say that i almost always hunt with leverguns. should also mention that lately it hasnt mattered since i havent seen a legal moose while i was hunting.

tman · Post by **tman** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:40 pm

.303 enfield and a 1876 winchester 45-75 carbine would make a keen Canadian Yukon battery

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:50 pm

hfcable wrote:lately it hasnt mattered since i havent seen a legal moose while i was hunting.

Wait . . . . are you saying that they actually exist?!

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:51 pm

7.62 Precision wrote:
hfcable wrote:lately it hasnt mattered since i havent seen a legal moose while i was hunting.
Wait . . . . are you saying that they actually exist?!

maybe but........ i think Bigfoot has them herded away somewhere as his personal food supply.

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:59 pm

piller wrote:I just can't believe all the articles that say how much power it takes to knock one down. How did humans keep from starving to death before the magnums were invented?

With bows and spears.

But moose made a quantum evolutionary leap, becoming suddenly much larger, stronger, and much more bullet resistant around the same time the hot magnum cartridges were starting to show up.

Canuck Bob · Post by **Canuck Bob** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:22 pm

I see them when I'm bone tired on a dark logging road. The big black blankety blanks can get a guys heart race crossing fast in front of the Jeep.

I ran into a new report on this moose by the way on CBC news. Apparently he has sold it to someone since it went world record. He is having a cast made to hang in a local place.

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:44 pm

Canuck Bob wrote:I see them when I'm bone tired on a dark logging road. The big black blankety blanks can get a guys heart race crossing fast in front of the Jeep.

They don't reflect light.

They will peel the top off of a car like a sardine can. A friend of mine in high school was killed when the girl he was riding with hit one. Peeled the top off the car and ended up laying in the laps of the three kids in the back. Its legs were in the front seat and it was kicking. The girl who was driving spent a long time in ICU.

One of my teachers hit one in an AMC Eagle. You could sit in the back seat and look up at the sky.

I had one hit me. I was going 30 MPH before I hit the brakes, and she ran into the side of the truck. Caved in the passenger door, the crew cab, wrecked the windshield frame, and dinged the bed. She got one leg forward and took out the front quarter panel. Totaled the Chevy 1500.

Canuck Bob · Post by **Canuck Bob** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 12:24 pm

When I lived near Sault Sainte Marie a trucker wrote off his rig claiming he hit two of them going around the lakehead. They only found one carcass until an OPP officer spotted a fifth leg.

They are a real hazard and get quite stupid during the rut. They really do appear out of nowhere and for some reason often don't even give off eye reflection glow which saves my bacon the most. To date I have hit a moose, three deer, and scared a couple of bears as much as they scared me with a big truck or pickup.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:52 am

He deserves all the praise, and $endorsments$......A great story.

(If you don't want a bunch of "stuff" from the rabid PETA People, don't publish your kill on a social network...they will try to eat you alive....there was one case where they burnt out her house/barn)

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:24 pm

BlaineG wrote:If you don't want a bunch of "stuff" from the rabid PETA People, don't publish your kill on a social network...they will try to eat you alive....there was one case where they burnt out her house/barn

A guy in ANC shot a bear that was mauling his neighbor. She had cubs. He caught one cub soon after, and then spent several days looking for the other s before he caught them. They went to zoos around the country. Anyway, it hit the paper and wrecked his life for a while. They wrecked his car and his house, he had to change his phone number, he got death threats, etc.

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:26 pm

7.62 Precision wrote:
BlaineG wrote:If you don't want a bunch of "stuff" from the rabid PETA People, don't publish your kill on a social network...they will try to eat you alive....there was one case where they burnt out her house/barn
I guy in ANC shot a bear that was mauling his neighbor. She had cubs. He caught one cub soon after, and then spent several days looking for the other s before he caught them. They went to zoos around the country. Anyway, it hit the paper and wrecked his life for a while. They wrecked his car and his house, he had to change his phone number, he got death threats, etc.

I'm sure those people would have rather he let the bear kill his neighbor than for him to take the life of the bear.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:56 pm

TedH wrote:
7.62 Precision wrote:
BlaineG wrote:If you don't want a bunch of "stuff" from the rabid PETA People, don't publish your kill on a social network...they will try to eat you alive....there was one case where they burnt out her house/barn
I guy in ANC shot a bear that was mauling his neighbor. She had cubs. He caught one cub soon after, and then spent several days looking for the other s before he caught them. They went to zoos around the country. Anyway, it hit the paper and wrecked his life for a while. They wrecked his car and his house, he had to change his phone number, he got death threats, etc.
I'm sure those people would have rather he let the bear kill his neighbor than for him to take the life of the bear.

Fact: Daughter and I were at the Oregon Caves for a tour. The Forest Service Officer told us that if we hurt one of his bears we'd better be missing an arm or leg first....Daughter was not pleased when I gave the guy some flack....

CowboyTutt · Post by **CowboyTutt** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:53 pm

Good for you Blaine!!!! What a triple A whole.

-Tutt