Are stewed squill bones soft enough for a 35# dog?

[Tycer]

Jackson caught and killed a squirrel today so I cleaned it and we are having it with broccoli and rice and butter. Braised it in bacon drippings and simmered it in some water and seasonings.

Should I worry about bones getting stuck in his innards?

[Blaine]

IMO? No worries. 21lb Boston, Thor, eats it all with no issues.....he gets chicken necks/backs, too.

[6pt-sika]

I have a 5 1/2 pound 12 week old Border Terrier puppy that thinks she can eat sticks , chair legs , rugs , my hands and many other things !

But I don't know if I'd let her have any tree rat bones . But then I don't care for tree rats either .

[Tycer]

Good stuff. He loved it. I gave him the heart right away and asked him if he wanted the liver. No flour an' onions?, he asked. No way.

Jackson has never seen very well. He had terrible eye infections when we got him 9 years ago. He loves to chase squirrels, but he can't see them when they hang a 90 or some such. This one tried to outrun him. That's only the second one in nine years. The first one, about six months ago bit his face pretty good and got away, but he shook this one just right. Good boy!

This was four years ago:

[BrentD]

No!

But raw bones are.

[wvfarrier]

Long as you feed them before they cool off. Once a bone is cooked it gets very brittle and the dogs can choke on the bones. Raw bones are much safer.

[GonnePhishin]

Sorry gents but I disagree. Bones (especially chicken, turkey) are bad for dogs to chew on. All it takes is for a sliver to go down and get caught in his esophagus, and its bye bye doggie. Too brittle and sharp.

[765x53]

Who cooks bones for the coyotes?

[Blaine]

Who cooks bones for the coyotes?

Zackly......Canines know how to chew their food....

[Mescalero]

Qui ipsos custodied es custodiedes?

[BrentD]

Unclebuck,
I've been feeding my dogs raw meat - the vast majority raw chickens - for 20 yrs now. No problem with raw chicken bones at all.

This morning it was raw bison and elk.

[Tycer]

Qui ipsos custodied es custodiedes?

My wife. However she is out of town and I have no one but the dog to watch me crunch squill bones!

[Mescalero]

Yeah, the girlfriend has kept me from harming myself many times.

[Sixgun]

Sorry gents but I disagree. Bones (especially chicken, turkey) are bad for dogs to chew on. All it takes is for a sliver to go down and get caught in his esophagus, and its bye bye doggie. Too brittle and sharp.

Good 'ole Uncle Buck hit this one perfectly. NEVER give ANY dog ANY bone that will break up and go down. Its common sense, if there is a sharp point going through soft intestines, well, no rocket science needed.

The best bones to give them are big bones from beef or deer. They can chew on them for the flavor and for teeth cleaning.

I'm so positive on this, I'll bet a single action Colt to anyone who can prove different.---6

[M. M. Wright]

I have 2 six month old Treeing Walker pups that don't chew anything, just swallow. I feed them a lot of deer bones and yeah, they get chicken bones too.

[BrentD]

I'm so positive on this, I'll bet a single action Colt to anyone who can prove different.---6

20 yrs of experience with 5 dogs and 3 cats and ZERO problems trumps your "nonrocket science logic."

A many dozens of millions of years of successful carnivore species backs that up too.

I'll be looking for that Colt to show up soon. .38-40 please to match my vintage Marlin 94.

Thanks.

[Streetstar]

Sorry gents but I disagree. Bones (especially chicken, turkey) are bad for dogs to chew on. All it takes is for a sliver to go down and get caught in his esophagus, and its bye bye doggie. Too brittle and sharp.

Good 'ole Uncle Buck hit this one perfectly. NEVER give ANY dog ANY bone that will break up and go down. Its common sense, if there is a sharp point going through soft intestines, well, no rocket science needed.

The best bones to give them are big bones from beef or deer. They can chew on them for the flavor and for teeth cleaning.

I'm so positive on this, I'll bet a single action Colt to anyone who can prove different.---6

Yep-- had to have a fundraiser for the motocross track owner's dog a few years back who had eaten a chicken bone and it damaged his esophagus

Dog is a pit bull/border collie mix and is always the life of the party --- type of dog you grab a couple of milk bones for on the way out the door, so quite a few pitched in to save him. IT worked, but wasn't cheap.

Haven't given any of my dogs bones since --- although I realize its a longshot, as previously I had given my dogs plenty of bones --- but sometimes long shots come through

[GonnePhishin]

Sixgun- Thanks for the good common sense support.

BrentD- Well good for you. I hope that you never have to see one of your pets suffer from a chicken bone or splinter lodged in it's esophagus or cause peritonitis due to a perforated stomach or intestine, and they die or have to be put down.

[BrentD]

Unclebuck, few dogs lead lives as healthy and long as mine. Do not fear for them.

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jessie/P ... 0small.jpg

[Hobie]

My parents used to breed dogs (in their youth) and dad was a good ol farm boy. The family consensus was no on chicken bones or any other small sharp or brittle bones. Further, while many dogs will survive them, eventually there will be a problem. Not giving them such bones presents no problem, doing so might, we don't.

That's an interesting point about coyotes (and other wild canines) and one will sometimes find indigestible bits (hair and bone) in their scat.

[Sixgun]

OK, I consulted with the dog expert....in the next room.....I am home from work....

We have had dogs for 40 years and as many as 15 at one time.

Her conclusion is that for the most part the dogs will be OK. It's much harder on the very little dogs, like Yorkies, because they don't have something (I don't know what you call it) on their rear end and the bones will accumulate. She continues that it's a much better idea to use raw bones (or meat) Her niece is a rare dog breeder and she feeds her dogs. ground up raw meat with the bones.

I guess it's the same as you and I drinking a bottle of Jack Daniels, then going out for a ride. More than likely you will get away with it, but do you want to take the chance?

Brent, I really have to say that I was a least half right, so will you consider a Ruger Old Model in 30 carbine, instead of the Colt? Hey! Off the subject but I ran into a no finish, but solid 1895 Marlin in (IIRC) 40-65 for 4 g's last weekend. ----6

[Mescalero]

How do I beat you out of the Old Model in .30 Carbine?

[BrentD]

sixgun - well I cannot agree about the food issue and that is w/o even recognizing the damage that alternative foods can produce. And do not equate cooked bone with raw bone. But keep the Ruger. Not my kinda gun.

I threw down some bids on an 1895 that someone had hacked away at the magazine. It went for well under $2k and I probably should have kept bidding but I let calm-rational thinking get in the way this time, so I lost or is that .

My congratulations to the winner, if he lurks on this board. I would like to know how it works out for him.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =370640413


Ever seen a hyaena eat?

[Sixgun]

Brent,
Forget this dog stuff. (Sorry, just a short message )

I would have given 25-30 for that 95. Those holes on top are supposed to be there!

Nice pic with the dog. What's the double your holding? Parker, LC? -----6

[BrentD]

I'm learning slowly about the 95s but I may be learning that I'm out of the market on them. So be it I might have to kill an Alaskan Moose with a 93 Marlin in .38-55 instead. Tough, but the way it goes.

The shottie is a 16 bore Evans hammer gun. Let's see...

Here is the same gun the wife and a different golden that lived to a ripe and healthy old age on almost an exclusively raw chicken diet.



And here again


I have a few other doubles that I use depending on conditions and one to sell - or trade for our 95???

[Streetstar]

Unclebuck, few dogs lead lives as healthy and long as mine. Do not fear for them.

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jessie/P ... 0small.jpg

Brent, while I don't entirely agree with you on the bone issue (hey, I don't agree with my wife 75% of the time either, so nothing personal)

I have to compliment on a fine looking dog , and a great picture ---- don't know if you practice photography a little , or just get lucky from time to time like I do, but that's a great shot of what looks like a neat dog! (although I have a very regal looking Boxer/Rotty mix that is very photogenic too, but she's a dum dum -- )

[Sixgun]

Brent, I agree with Streetstar....nice pics!----6

[BrentD]

Thanks for the compliments. I get some lucky photos but the real photographer in the family is my wife, Tamra. Some of her dog photos are really awesome. Still, I try to make a good photo with a different angle or light.

I'll bore you with some more.

This is Ande - the guy in the photo with Tamra
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jessie/Dogs/Ande2.jpg
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jessie/Dogs/Ande1.jpg
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jessie/D ... 0small.jpg
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jessie/P ... 202006.jpg

And Asa - this is one of T's photos
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jessie/Dogs/asa2yrs.jpg
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jessie/D ... 0small.jpg
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jessie/D ... ng%202.jpg

And adopted golden Charlie - he was supposedly 15yrs old when we got him
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jessie/D ... 0stove.jpg

And this is Gus - the first dog and my current hunting buddy.
10 weeks
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jessie/D ... 0plane.jpg

12 weeks
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jessie/D ... 0small.JPG

16 weeks
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jessie/P ... 0small.JPG
The gun above is a 12 ga Cashmore

16 months
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jessie/P ... 0small.jpg


http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jessie/P ... 0small.jpg
That's a Merkel Model 8 above by the way

3yrs old -color problems on this one but I still like it.
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jessie/P ... 0small.jpg


And this is a very very special dog from long long ago
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jessie/Dogs/jessie.jpg

Anyway that's enough thread highjacking. Except for the last dog - they all lived exclusively on raw meat with bones.

[6pt-sika]

Brent,
Forget this dog stuff. (Sorry, just a short message )

I would have given 25-30 for that 95. Those holes on top are supposed to be there!

Nice pic with the dog. What's the double your holding? Parker, LC? -----6

I had a quartet of fairly nice old Marlin 1895's about 3 years ago and had about 10 G's tied up in the bunch . The nicest one came from "Mr.Winchester" Leroy Merz and I had a touch over 3 in that one . But all the ones I had were un F'd with for the most part . Had a 33 WCF that came from CA , the 38-56 from Merz , a 40-65 from Fairbanks AK and a 40-82 from Colorado . Wish I had the 38-56 and 40-65 back now LOL's !

[Streetstar]

Anyway that's enough thread highjacking. .

I like seeing the evolution pics of your dog from a 10 week pup to a full grown pheasant fetchin' machine --

Very cool doubles as well

[madman4570]

Ask any reputable Vet as there is two who are relatives of mine. One answer NO!

Here is the direction both have concluded as the best way to go while at our place discussing very topic last year over a glass of wine. Beer for me!

No bones of any kind! Also not the fake bones, they are loaded with bad stuff that makes dog instinctively want to lick and has excessive minerals that lead to bladder and kidney stones.
No stuff that is not made in the USA
Feed twice a day, morning and dinner time and do not over feed.
Pick a high quality dog food and with that shred a small piece of cooked meat or chicken. This can be very small like a boneless chicken breast could be broke up to make three meals. Or a cooked ground chuck patty. Break it up in very small pieces and mix with food.This will satisfy the dog thinking his meal every time is his two times a day treat and will lessen begging. Be firm.
Do not over moisten dog food as the dry food has teeth cleaning properties within it.
For a snack a cut up apple without seeds or a sliced carrot are good snacks and are like us brushing our teeth.
Both of them recommended Purina Pro Plan as right now being the top dog food for a reasonable cost. Runs about $45 a bag.

Very important do not let dogs gorge with water right after eating their two meals and restrict vigorous playing and rolling over quickly first 30mins. JMHO

[Sixgun]

Crazy dude,
In full agreement with you. (See my first answer)

I guess we can all argue 'till Obama's IQ reaches 60. Sure, animals in the wild do it.....but do they live as long as pets? My wife did say it was ok but they have to be ground up. We still don't do that, but we will give our 6 - 10 pound Yorkies big beef bones, but these bones weigh more than the dog.

Like you said, especially NOTHING made out of the US and even then, no jerky treats.

I sometimes feel responsible for the death of my #1 dog, Skittles as she died at 12, when her brothers ad sisters lived longer. Every time we went for a ride in the Jeep, she would bark while passing a WaWa convenience store and I'd pull in and get her a half dozen Slim-Jim's.----6

[madman4570]

Crazy dude,
In full agreement with you. (See my first answer)

I guess we can all argue 'till Obama's IQ reaches 60. Sure, animals in the wild do it.....but do they live as long as pets? My wife did say it was ok but they have to be ground up. We still don't do that, but we will give our 6 - 10 pound Yorkies big beef bones, but these bones weigh more than the dog.

Like you said, especially NOTHING made out of the US and even then, no jerky treats.

I sometimes feel responsible for the death of my #1 dog, Skittles as she died at 12, when her brothers ad sisters lived longer. Every time we went for a ride in the Jeep, she would bark while passing a WaWa convenience store and I'd pull in and get her a half dozen Slim-Jim's.----6

6
You are the kind of dude that I inspire to be like!
You want to hunt up here sometime bro, glad to have you!

I did the same thing with our Schnauzer 3 years ago but I got her these Busy Bones. She would work on one all day. Lick,lick,lick.
I loved them cause it gave me maximum tease time. I would crawl up to her and say in that voice like the witch on Snow White (ok had to watch it when daughter growing up) saying I won't hurt ya girl, you can trust me. Can I have some? As she is snarling showing the whites. It got so even if I was upstairs when she had a bone and heard me start to come downstairs the wife said she would start growling.Bless her little teased heart,
Finally I stopped it when I came in kitchen barefoot saying I won't hurt ya girl can I have some? and at the same time stuck my bare foot out and in that other special voice louder pitch "take a bite" That little bugger ran over and ripped off my big toe nail.

Bottom line because I gave her too many of those she got a bladder stone the size of a golf ball and that was a $1500 bill.
Don't tell wife------I still tease her when I can just not with bones and not with a bare foot!

[Sixgun]

MM,
Same to you bro. Good story.--- --6