Winchester 1892 Trapper - PICS

Jarhead · Post by **Jarhead** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:02 am

I have been seriously thinking of pickin' up another rifle in 45LC to pack in the Wilderness behind my property in Eastern Oregon. I have plenty of rifles, but think an 1892 45LC Trapper would be easy to pack in the off season for Mountain Lion...of course I wouldn't be hunting Elk and Mulies in the off season, so would not need larger "medicine." That being said, the newer Winchester's in the 1892 are made in Japan and the "Trails End"
94s were the last run of rifles made in New haven, CT.

Which is the better Rifle? In your opinion? I am reluctant to purchase a Rifle not made in the USA, but really like the 1892 Trapper with the "Tang Safety"

Anybody own a Japan made 1892? And, if so, what is the quality. The smallest caliber, other than .22, that I own is a .243 Belgium BLR.

Thanks in advance for your knowledge and experience in this matter. I know they bombed Pearl Harbor, etc., but that's not the issue.

Or is it?

I told Mescalero that I thought I was done buying rifles, but then I've also said, "I was done drinking beer too!"

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:29 am

If you want the very best 92 ever made try to find one of the Browning B92's. They were only available as 20" carbines, 357 or 44 mag. They too were made in japan by Miruko but the difference is it's as close to the original design as possible and is made with modern steel. No tang safety, no lever activated trigger block, no stiff to cock rebounding hammer, no spring loaded 5 piece inertia firing pin like the current wins.
As for the 94, many folks like them but again, I',m not too fond of the add-ons.

The best bang for the buck is the EMF/rossi 92's. Most folks that bad mouth them are going on their experience with the earlier 80's and 90's Rossi 92's. The current guns are much better. plus you can buy 2 of tjhe rossi's for what the Win miruko 92 will cost you.

Think about this. All the folks that made the original 92's are long dead and gone. The folks with the most experience building 92's now are the Rossi folks. They have been doing it for 30 something years.

Grizzly Adams · Post by **Grizzly Adams** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:38 am

Jarhead wrote:
Which is the better Rifle? In you opinion? I am reluctant to purchase a Rifle not made in the USA, but really like the 1892 Trapper with the "Tang Safety"

Anybody own a Japan made 1892? And, if so, what is the quality. The smallest caliber, other than .22, that I own is a .243 Belgium BLR.

I had one in 45LC, and it was a dandy little carbine. Quality was excellent. They are made by Miruku of Japan, the same folks that made the Browning 92. So, If you like the little 92 trapper with the tang safety, then go for it!

I would take the Japanese 92 over the 94. That's just me!

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:32 am

WHAT STEVE SAID!

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:03 am

I've owned several Miroku-Winchesters, including one 92 in 45 Colt and two 86's. Quality is excellent. The Miroku-made Brownings are the ones to go for, for reasons already stated above.

RIHMFIRE · Post by **RIHMFIRE** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:38 am

Therse only one thing wrong with Miroku-Winchesters
They have "Made in Japan" stamped on the barrels...
Great quailty for sure.....
But I just Like American made Winchesters better....
Save your pennies and buy an original....
Does Miroku make a trapper anyway?

Jarhead · Post by **Jarhead** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:45 am

RIHMFIRE wrote:Therse only one thing wrong with Miroku-Winchesters
They have "Made in Japan" stamped on the barrels...
Great quailty for sure.....
But I just Like American made Winchesters better....
Save your pennies and buy an original....
Does Miroku make a trapper anyway?

Yes, they make a Trapper 1892 with 16.5 inch barrel...Limited Edition 1 of 500 run. I am in no hurry and appreciate everyones feed back on these rifles..just doing my home work at this point.

Jay Bird · Post by **Jay Bird** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:25 am

I'm glad it's made in Japan and not China.

Wouldn't want to get lead poison.

Leverdude · Post by **Leverdude** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:02 pm

Which is the better Rifle? In your opinion? I am reluctant to purchase a Rifle not made in the USA, but really like the 1892 Trapper with the "Tang Safety"

JMHO but theres no fair comparison. The late model 94 Winchesters were economy guns & it showed, The Miroku Winchester arent remotely economy guns, the price & quality are both much higher.

I wouldn't but a 94, but I wouldn't hesitate on a 92 if it was there & I had the money.

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:02 pm

Sixgun jr wrote:I'm glad it's made in Japan and not China.
Wouldn't want to get lead poison.

Ha! We used good old American-made Winchesters and Marlins to give 'lead poisoning' to a lot of predators that wanted to help themselves to chickens, calves, and other livestock.

Jeff Pitts · Post by **Jeff Pitts** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:48 pm

I have one of the high grade Japanese '86's. Could NOT be happier with the quality. I have a few pre-1900's '86's and I can say that the quality of the Jap rifles are second to none. Might not be an old Winchester but man oh man are they nice.

Jeff

Poohgyrr · Post by **Poohgyrr** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:46 am

I have three .357 Levers; a 20" Miroku, a 16" M94, and a 20" EMF tuned by Steve.

I like the Miruko sights the best, but it is "too shiny" for my taste. This Lever shoots pretty accurate for me. I think it was on the prior Leverguns forum that someone posted how he redid his Miroku to get rid of the shiny finish.

Trappers are my favorite, but this M94 has that occasional Winchester .357 double feed from the mag problem and I'm soured on this Lever..... I'd buy the short Marlin .357 before buying another of these Winchesters.....

The tuned EMF is clearly my overall favorite. It is a good solid M92.

homefront · Post by **homefront** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:39 am

I've heard it said that the later Winchester 94's were "economy" guns. I say so what? Mine work just fine, and unless I get into CAS I don't see any chance of mine breaking or wearing out.
I'm interested in this carbine (notice I didn't say "we", as in "wife and I"):
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... m=96176594
If you were to take it, I'd be just as happy.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:02 am

RIHMFIRE wrote:Therse only one thing wrong with Miroku-Winchesters
They have "Made in Japan" stamped on the barrels...
Great quailty for sure.....
But I just Like American made Winchesters better....
Save your pennies and buy an original....
Does Miroku make a trapper anyway?

Jarhead, I am with RIHMFIRE. That stamping on the barrel that says "made in japan" bothers me, but.......thats me. While they are fine rifles, I have never been able to get over the fact that the Japanese used our soldiers for live bayonet practice. (I know, get over it Sixgun, let it all go, but I can't.....thats me!

)

Jarhead, you are a man of means, quality, and love of our country. An original Winchester 1892 saddle ring carbine in 38-40 or 44-40 with a couple of "issues" such as a reblue or banged up wood will only set you back about 7-10.

While walking through the woods and climbing up that mountain side, you will feel better with a rifle made by the craftsmen that defended our freedom and not by the offspring of the ones who tried to take it away.-----------------------Sixgun (sorry, I'm a Nationalist, through and through

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El Mac · Post by **El Mac** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:09 am

Sixgun wrote:
RIHMFIRE wrote:That stamping on the barrel that says "made in japan" bothers me, but.......thats me. While they are fine rifles, I have never been able to get over the fact that the Japanese used our soldiers for live bayonet practice. (I know, get over it Sixgun, let it all go, but I can't.....thats me! )

While walking through the woods and climbing up that mountain side, you will feel better with a rifle made by the craftsmen that defended our freedom and not by the offspring of the ones who tried to take it away.-----------------------Sixgun (sorry, I'm a Nationalist, through and through )

I'm a severe Nationalist too. But I look at it this way, imitation or reproduction is the sincerest form of flattery. I don't see 'em making Nambu pistols anymore... And as far as bayonet practice goes, they did that and a lot more. But at the end of the day, we incinerated hundreds of thousands of them between the fire raids on Tokyo and the nuke attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Payback IS a mofo. And payback we did, in droves. We evened the score darned well.

Buying a quality made Winchester or Browning from them is just salt in the wound to me. I enjoy it.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:56 pm

El mac wrote:
Buying a quality made Winchester or Browning from them is just salt in the wound to me. I enjoy it.

El Mac,
yea, I guess your right, and I do like the part about the salt

I have shot a mess of those Jap. leverguns, (and Browning Auto -5 & Weatherbys) and they are top notch guns. In fact, In my opinion, the best there is available today. I even recommended them to my son who has a Browning 1886 src and a newly acquired '92 in 45 LC.

I really think its something I have going on in my head, you know, a character fault. I have this deep rooted hatred for people who have tried to do this country wrong and I really don't care what the issues were. You know, shallow thinking. My mother was born and raised in Nazi Germany. Her father was a chemical engineer that worked for the war machine. Although this is my mother's and my family beginnings, I own no German guns. Great guns they are, but like the Jap stuff, the thoughts of mass genocide will not allow my little brain to accept their goods. Oh well, life goes on--------Sixgun

RIHMFIRE · Post by **RIHMFIRE** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:05 pm

Sixgun wrote:
RIHMFIRE wrote:Therse only one thing wrong with Miroku-Winchesters
They have "Made in Japan" stamped on the barrels...
Great quailty for sure.....
But I just Like American made Winchesters better....
Save your pennies and buy an original....
Does Miroku make a trapper anyway?
Jarhead, I am with RIHMFIRE. That stamping on the barrel that says "made in japan" bothers me, but.......thats me. While they are fine rifles, I have never been able to get over the fact that the Japanese used our soldiers for live bayonet practice. (I know, get over it Sixgun, let it all go, but I can't.....thats me! )

Jarhead, you are a man of means, quality, and love of our country. An original Winchester 1892 saddle ring carbine in 38-40 or 44-40 with a couple of "issues" such as a reblue or banged up wood will only set you back about 7-10.

While walking through the woods and climbing up that mountain side, you will feel better with a rifle made by the craftsmen that defended our freedom and not by the offspring of the ones who tried to take it away.-----------------------Sixgun (sorry, I'm a Nationalist, through and through )

Winchester is an American Icon.....
and I just cant buy a winchester with Japan stamped on the barrel...
Whats worse is..... that John Wayne would not allow his name to
be associated with the 92s coming out of Japan....
for obvious reasons....WWII
But I guess the Wayne Estate has to make money somehow...

Jarhead · Post by **Jarhead** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:21 pm

Well, I bought the Trapper 1892 Limited Ed. 1 of 500 45LC NIB($999.00)...I wanted a Trapper with 16.5 inch barrel and this is all that is available in the Trapper

I can load her hot...Here's some pics: Check out that wood

Perhaps I'll get a chance to shoot a "Slant Eyed Towel Head" with her someday

Just kidding...or am I??

RIHMFIRE · Post by **RIHMFIRE** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:40 pm

Nice wood
Congrats
Happy shooting.......

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:52 pm

I've got a Mauser that's stamped "made in Germany". They killed millions with them, but I still admire the quality and workmanship. Same with my made in japan 1886.

Hey, WE WON THAT WAR, and the spoils go to the winners! That's what I see when I see made in germany or made in japan. WE WON. And when I buy a rifle made in japan, they're working for me!

A little different take, eh?

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:54 pm

VERY NICE! Gorgeous! I, for one, think you made an EXCELLENT choice.

(Why buy a rifle length action for a pistol cartridge?)

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:54 pm

Mike, Your in business now as that short barrel fits your needs just perfect for woods bumming in dangerous country.
Let us know how that baby shoots. I bet it would be great with about 11 grains of Unique with a 250 cast.------------Sixgun

Poohgyrr · Post by **Poohgyrr** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:11 pm

That wood looks good and Trapper M92s are sweet. Congrats.

I won't ask you guys who you think has more honor, "citizens" like shumer, feistein, and fonda - or declared enemy soldiers.......

Jaguarundi · Post by **Jaguarundi** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:56 pm

Nice wood and gun choice Jarhead.

Congrats.

jd45 · Post by **jd45** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:18 pm

Jarhead, I sympathize with your disappointment,......what a piece of Jap junk! I can't stand that swirling in the wood, can you?.........I'll take it off your hands for a reasonable price,....what'd'ya say? (grin!) jd45

Jarhead · Post by **Jarhead** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:25 pm

jd45 wrote:Jarhead, I sympathize with your disappointment,......what a piece of Jap junk! I can't stand that swirling in the wood, can you?.........I'll take it off your hands for a reasonable price,....what'd'ya say? (grin!) jd45

Me either! I am having a couple of fingers of "Bushmills"(Irish Whisky) to ease my "Buyers Remorse." Take it off my hands? How would you like to push up "Daisies?"

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:37 pm

Awesom looking wood on the gun. You are going to love that trapper. Dont forget range reports are in order when you get the chance.

Jarhead · Post by **Jarhead** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:42 pm

JReed wrote:Awesom looking wood on the gun. You are going to love that trapper. Dont forget range reports are in order when you get the chance.

Yes sir! And yes, I know you're not an Officer! Thank God!

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:51 pm

Jarhead wrote:
JReed wrote:Awesom looking wood on the gun. You are going to love that trapper. Dont forget range reports are in order when you get the chance.
Yes sir! And yes, I know you're not an Officer! Thank God!

Yep - Jeremy actually works for a living!

Awesome wood on that trapper. I just love very short or very long rifles! Congrats!!!

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:57 pm

Jarhead wrote:
JReed wrote:Awesom looking wood on the gun. You are going to love that trapper. Dont forget range reports are in order when you get the chance.
Yes sir! And yes, I know you're not an Officer! Thank God!

I'll forgive ya

.

Grizzly Adams · Post by **Grizzly Adams** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:05 pm

That's a beauty! Congratulations, and enjoy that Trapper.

Jarhead · Post by **Jarhead** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:28 pm

Grizzly Adams wrote:That's a beauty! Congratulations, and enjoy that Trapper.

Thanks for the kind words, Brother....I'll give ya some range reports in early May....

El Mac · Post by **El Mac** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:08 pm

Grizz wrote:Hey, WE WON THAT WAR, and the spoils go to the winners! That's what I see when I see made in germany or made in japan. WE WON. And when I buy a rifle made in japan, they're working for me!

A little different take, eh?

No...thats my take as well.

Jarhead, sweet looking Trapper!

GANJIRO · Post by **GANJIRO** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:50 am

Sixgun wrote:While they are fine rifles, I have never been able to get over the fact that the Japanese used our soldiers for live bayonet practice. (I know, get over it Sixgun, let it all go, but I can't.....thats me! )

While walking through the woods and climbing up that mountain side, you will feel better with a rifle made by the craftsmen that defended our freedom and not by the offspring of the ones who tried to take it away.-----------------------Sixgun (sorry, I'm a Nationalist, through and through )

AMEN sir, I don't care how many hundreds of thousands of Jap women, children, and elderly we fire-bombed straight to hell, they ALL deserved it, we should have killed them ALL! Even a hundred generations afterwards they should never be forgiven! I am proud to say the military of this great nation NEVER committed ANY attrocities throughout it's great history!
The only Nipponese firearm I own is WWII war booty Type 99 7.7mm Arisaka rifle that my Dad brought back with him after the war, confiscated from a evil little yellow devil no doubt. I'll never own a Japchester never no no never!

marlin shooter · Post by **marlin shooter** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:36 am

Jarhead
Nice rifle! Even better your gonna shoot it. I have a Japchester 92 .44 mag that has been a great gun, accurate, well made, and has been totally reliable. Good luck with your's.
Karl

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