Winchester 1884

Windjammer · Post by **Windjammer** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:52 am

A friend has a 1884 Winchester in 25-20. Ser No. 685357
It's been totaly refinished. Rebluded, new wood, barell
relined, etc.

Can anyone give me the age and the approximate value
of this gun?

RIHMFIRE · Post by **RIHMFIRE** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:07 am

1884? or do you mean 1894 pics Please!

Windjammer · Post by **Windjammer** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:16 am

The gun is marked PATENTED OCTOBER 14 1884
Pictures are unavailable right now.......

Post by **Hobie** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:03 pm

I think you need more info, preferably a photo. There is no such as an 1884 Winchester.

Killer Kanuck · Post by **Killer Kanuck** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:15 pm

Windjammer wrote:The gun is marked PATENTED OCTOBER 14 1884
Pictures are unavailable right now.......

Isn't that the patent date for the 1886?

Cimarron Red · Post by **Cimarron Red** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:03 pm

My guess is that it's an 1892. They use the same patent date as the 1886. OTH, it could be an 1885, although I believe that rifle carries a patent date of 1883. So it could be an 1892, 53, or (I believe) the 65 was chambered in .25-20 also or the 1885.

Post by **Hobie** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:06 pm

I was thinking it is an 1892 but it is so marked. If refinished that is a $3-500 gun, tops and that depends on the quality of the work. If the MODEL NUMBER is buffed off I wouldn't pay so much for it.

Windjammer · Post by **Windjammer** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:34 pm

I had the gun in my hands. PATENTED OCTOBER 14 1884 is very clear.
The guy had it refinished, but all the markings are very clear. The gun is
a family thing. He wants to pass it along to his son.

Just wondering if anyone could date it from the s/n 685357
I was guessing, a $500.00 gun, but I don't know. I didn't tell
him what I thought it was worth. He spent more than that
having it redone. It was very rough........

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:41 pm

Is it a lever action repeating rifle?

Is it a single shot?

Without the model number or a better description the serial number doesn't help.

Joe

Post by **Hobie** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:44 pm

Sure wish we had the Model number which should have been on the tang (I would think). If it was very rough and you didn't see the model number this makes me think that the model number was buffed right out.

Was it a half mag or full length magazine? What sights? D&T for tang peep? Length of barrel? Etc.... You don't give anything really to go on. Savage99.com says your gun was built in 1912. Might well be right but might not.

So, you could read the pat date but not the model number. Makes me wonder....

Windjammer · Post by **Windjammer** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:34 pm

I'm at work right now. The gun is in my office. The gun looks like a M94
lever action. The rear sight is a ladder type marked 5,10,15,20
Which I take to mean 50,100,150,200 yards. The barell is 19-1/2"
with the magazine tube running the full length. There is no model
number to be found. At the very top of the rear sight, on the right
side there is a small hole about 1/8" in diameter. There is a place
for a saddle ring to be installed. The tang had been broken off.
If that's where the model no. should be. A new tang has been
added, and looks pretty good.

Cimarron Red · Post by **Cimarron Red** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:46 pm

Does the gun have two locking lugs rising vertically through mortices cut in the rear of the receiver and the rear of the bolt? This is the locking arrangement for the Models 1892 and 1886.

Given the repaired top tang, the missing saddle ring and the refinish, and assuming it is an 1892, I would not pay very much for the gun. Of course, if the guy's passing it on to his son, this is a moot point.

Post by **Hobie** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:20 pm

Sounds like a $100 gun. It is either a 1894 or it isn't. Either way $100.