Did SASS kill the Winchester model 94?

[Jayhawker]

Walmart would not be a success if it wasn't for the anxious shoppers who regularly stride through its doors. Don't blame the corporation, its the consumer that made Walmart possible and keeps it successful. Nobody is forced to shop at Walmart. As far as some of those mom and pop rural shops, except for my time, it used to be less expensive to drive to town myself and pick up most items rather than pay their price.

As for the model 94, I haven't a clue. I don't much care for them myself, but that's a personal preference. I'm a simple guy and I think that's why Marlins appeal to me.

[Modoc ED]

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[.45colt]

Quote," If you don't like Wal-Mart, don't shop there. If your son-in-law doesn't like his job, his pay, or his lack of benefits, then he ought to quit."

Thanks for the advise . I don't shop there and have told My Daughter to move to China with Her soon to be Masters. Then She can have a GOOD JOB working for Wall-Mart.they only have 200 stores now. . and the we sell for less on the front of the store trickles right down to the People who WORK for LESS. But I forget they all have a choice.

[CraigC]

It's obvious that you made a hollow, baseless claim and can't back it up when called upon to do so.

It's obvious that I have gored your sacred goat, judging by your highly defensive reaction. Those numbers were quoted in this documentary. I'll oblige you to watch it if you want the exact amounts. As I recall, it was less than $3000 for all of them, combined.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0473107/

As for the poor poor businesses that can't compete
against Wal-Mart -- too bad.

Keep patronizing them. When the local gunshops have closed their doors your ability to procure firearms and ammunition will be subject to the whims of a greedy corporate giant that is only concerned with the bottom line. I will continue shopping at locally owned stores, even if I have to go out of my way or make several stops. I've never been to a Walmart where they remembered my name, asked about my mother or carried my bags to the truck.

[cjm135]

CJ, Rossi Henry Marlin seem to be doing well and I dont think they are making AK47's.

Popeye, If you are addressing my post I'm a bit confused. I said nothing about AK47's. I believe Marlin has been bought by Remington, Rossi is out of Brazil where production cost are lower.

[GoatGuy]

Nevermind. It's rarely possible to change someone's negative point of view about a topic in which they have formed such irrational notions. I perceive a class envy attitude at work here within these arguments about the "evil" corporate entity and it's selfish, greedy, mean, coldhearted executives, stockholders and founding family members. Some people just hate the success of others.

[CraigC]

It's rarely possible to change someone's negative point of view about a topic in which they have formed such irrational notions.....Some people just hate the success of others.

You can think that if you want to but you're terribly wrong on both counts. You don't know me and I don't know you so all you can do is assume. I do not envy or covet the success of others nor do I buy into the leftist "corporations are evil" mentality. My issue is with Walmart and how they've conducted themselves since Sam Waldon died, not success and not corporations in general. So I guess it's okay to boycott Hallmark and Levi Strauss because they're anti-gun but it's "irrational" to boycott Walmart because of their business practices???

Funny how I'm the "irrational" one but YOU have to resort to personal attacks???

[Grizzly Adams]

Now what was the question again?

[J Miller]

The question was: "Did SASS kill the Winchester model 94?".



Joe

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

The question was: "Did SASS kill the Winchester model 94?".



Joe

Thanks Joe,
The pro's and cons of Walmart have nothing to do with this topic. So, if you must, please start an OT and have at it.

To the subject. Winchester would still be selling Winchesters if they still made them like they did 50-60 years ago. The current Winchesters have been polluted with lawsuit proofing parts. Someone even said the current Win 92 by Miruko are the same guns as the earlier Browning B-92. Sorry but that aint even true. The Browning because it didn't stray far from the original design, is a much better representation of the original.
Don't get me wrong, I understand why they have done this to their guns. Unlike other country's, here in the USA it is way too easy to get sued. This is why overseas gunmakers like Rossi and Uberti can make guns without those liability parts. It's really hard to sue them.

I would truly love to have a new Winchester 94, 92 or 86 made like the original.

[CraigC]

Someone even said the current Win 92 by Miruko are the same guns as the earlier Browning B-92. Sorry but that aint even true.

I made a reference to them but what I said was that the recent production Winchesters and earlier Brownings came from the same maker, Miroku, not that they were the same. I have examples of each and they clearly are not the same. I much prefer the traditional action of the Brownings but the new Winchesters are still great guns.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

Someone even said the current Win 92 by Miruko are the same guns as the earlier Browning B-92. Sorry but that aint even true.

I made a reference to them but what I said was that the recent production Winchesters and earlier Brownings came from the same maker, Miroku, not that they were the same. I have examples of each and they clearly are not the same. I much prefer the traditional action of the Brownings but the new Winchesters are still great guns.

Well, I guess we will just have to disagree on that one. One of the reasons the original were popular was because they were robust designs the held up well over time. With all the tiny add-on liability parts the late models aren't likely to survive the test of time like the originals. I will concede, I have taken a couple of the late models and replaced most of those parts with original style Rossi parts and made some nice guns out of them. The best of both, fit and finish of the miruko 92 and the functionality of the Rossi.

[popeye44]

Dont give me bull about lawyer mods and worries about suits. It was all about greed. Esp when you cant buy a
car from "ANYBODY" with a safe jack or spare.

[CraigC]

I admit I've never had one apart but when a levergun as beautifully made as my 1895 .405WCF also shoots into less than an inch at 100yds with the issued open sights, it's hard not to be a fan.

[meanc]

I don't think anything killed the Win 94.

I've got several in my safe right now that were proven to be still alive and kicking just last week

Honestly, I believe they just took a little hiatus to move from New Haven and make room for production in SC.

[Old Savage]

SASS resurrected the 92.

[Griff]

SASS "killing" off any levergun is almost a laughable concept. Except that I've watched, heedless of warnings to the contrary, many new CAS shooters go thru numerous guns before they find "THE" perfect gun for them.

Strictly my opinion, but... IF USRA had recognized just what SASS was all about back in 1985 and re-introdeuced the Model 1892 in .38 Special, .44WCF & .45Colt instead of taking the cheap way by rechambering the Mdl 94 for pistol cartridges, it wouldn't have needed FN's bail-out in '93. It WOULD have SAVED untold numbers of new CAS shooters HUNDREDS of $s in buying non-competitive guns.

And, we'd probably be discussing the demise of Rossi. Yes, the Browning B-92 was available, but not in .38Spl/.357 (TIKO). They were produced in limited runs, geared @ tthe collector market, not shooters. And, personally, I found them hard to find, NEW, let alone used.

[Modoc ED]

You make a good point Griff but I'm not as sure of the .38 Special as you are. Marlin came out with a .38 Special only (would not chamber .357 magnum) a few years ago in their Model 94 and the sales were so dismal that they dropped it pretty quick -- I think within a year and a half or two years.

Old Savage made a good point too in that SASS was responsible for resurrected the Model 92.

I will say that at the one SASS range and the few meets that I have been to the (just outside San Diego, CA) the use of the Winchester Model 94 is discouraged as it is not considered by some to have been an "Old West" rifle -- came along too late to count.

EDIT:

You guys were right. The Wal-Mart posts took this thread off course so I deleted all of mine. My appologies to S.B. for screwing up your thread.

[Griff]

Ed,

I'm not saying that Winchester would have to have been .38 Special only, a combo chambering would have been ok. The .38Spl Marlin Cowboy is actually a sought after rifle... They quickly sold EVERY one made, sales may not be high enough to be a regular catalog item, but... it's noted for being extremely accurate and feeds like a maniac. The "dreaded Marlin jam" is virtually unheard of in this variant.

And yes, SASS has contributed greatly to the resurrection of the 1892... just wish that Winchester could have seen the light and re-introduced it in its original form. Don't get me wrong, Rossi's are fine guns, but... I'd have paid twice what I paid for my Rossis back in '89 if I could have bought new Winchester '92s in .38/.357. There may have been some problem with Browning due to licensing or whatever; I don't know, just speculating on what could have been.

And SASS is responsible for bringing back many old cartridges that would have slowly faded off into the sunset; in fact prior to about 1995, how many new rifles were chambered in .38-55? It was off the shelves for so long as to almost being obsolete. In fact, by 1978 when Winchester developed the .375 Winchester, it was almost unheard of... except in rarified collectors and those that still had an old Winchester lever or single-shot. The Commemoratives were still being horded and speculated on... and few if any were actually being shot.

But... as in the days of Oliver F., gun manufacturers tend to seek their own vision, seldom listening to shooters... unless those shooters happen to be polic departments, military procurement officers etc. So, it is no small wonder that we traditionalists still have ANY of the old guns offered to us!