Under lever project

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:19 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:
Pitchy wrote:Beginning to look pretty good, added a sliding safety today also.
HERESY!

Added another safety behind the latch, line up the U too open.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:42 pm

So, does the main charge go into some sort of removable patent breech with an attached nipple?

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:06 pm

Yepper.

20cows · Post by **20cows** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:59 pm

I have been known to tinker a bit (and I know why a tinker's darn isn't worth much), but as I watch your progress I am amazed. Your level of problem solving ability is waaaay beyond what I would attempt.

I can't wait to see that thing shoot!

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:21 am

Here`s a pic of a loaded cartridge Kirk, the yellow is bore butter and if ya watch close in the video ya can see it come out the barrel.
It`s that or flames i reckon.
Pretty much done for now until the weather cools down some.
Having problems with ignition, gotta strike the cap twice .
Have to pinch them to get them to stay on so maybe thats it. The first strike seats it , does anyone know if different brand caps are better these are CCI`s.

video.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:26 am

Try Remington #10s. CCI #11's won't work for dog poop in my Remington 1858...

Borregos · Post by **Borregos** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:19 am

Enjoyed the video Pitchy

walks with gun · Post by **walks with gun** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:38 am

Way to go Pitchy, now where is my box fed lever action, folding stock, 6.5lbs. 18" bbl 50 cal. Browning I asked for.

pwl44m · Post by **pwl44m** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:57 am

Stronger Hammer spring - more travel - IDK That is kinda along the lines of My Maynard (Percussion Cartridge Gun)
Perry

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:03 pm

The other thing to consider is that no matter how tightly the "cartridge" fits into the trap door, it is going to flex & float a little, reducing the power of the hammer strike, so maybe a scosch tighter mainspring might be warranted.

But try the Remington #10s first.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:38 pm

Thanks, looked for Rems today but couldn`t find any, will find some eventually.
The hammer spring is pretty stiff, it worked ever time at first but as i shot it the trap door pins got a little more play so i think your right it`s absorbing the shock.
Will tinker with it but to dern hot to mess with now.

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:41 pm

Okay, now I see how it loads. I never knew there were guns that loaded like that until now. Thanks. Enjoyed that video too.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:49 pm

Yeah Remmy caps were way better with my guns and pyrodex, so,,,,

I must say, the first thing that stood out to me was how it seems to fit you perfectly Pitchy.

I could take you to a little blind I have where I wait for pheasants in winter and you would have some fun with that smoothbore!

I don't know about InTheWind, more like breathoffreshair if you ask me

N.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:52 pm

Pitchy wrote:Thanks, looked for Rems today but couldn`t find any, will find some eventually.
The hammer spring is pretty stiff, it worked ever time at first but as i shot it the trap door pins got a little more play so i think your right it`s absorbing the shock.
Will tinker with it but to dern hot to mess with now.

The other option, given the loading design, might be to fab up a way to use a 209 in the "cartridge" (maybe with a threaded nut?) and put a "firing pin/hat" on the hammer or something...

I mean, if the thing has a modern safety, why not use a modern cap?

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:06 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:
Pitchy wrote:Thanks, looked for Rems today but couldn`t find any, will find some eventually.
The hammer spring is pretty stiff, it worked ever time at first but as i shot it the trap door pins got a little more play so i think your right it`s absorbing the shock.
Will tinker with it but to dern hot to mess with now.
The other option, given the loading design, might be to fab up a way to use a 209 in the "cartridge" (maybe with a threaded nut?) and put a "firing pin/hat" on the hammer or something...

I mean, if the thing has a modern safety, why not use a modern cap?

Now you`ve gone to far

Thanks gents, we`ll get her firing right in a couple days.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:28 pm

KirkD wrote:Okay, now I see how it loads. I never knew there were guns that loaded like that until now. Thanks. Enjoyed that video too.

Kirk do a gogle search on breech loaders there were quite a few makers.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:05 pm

Made a couple more cartridge`s but no point to try rapid reloading until i get better ignition.

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:13 pm

Have you thought about musket caps? Would require the correct nipple but it might solve your problems.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:11 pm

I think they would be to big and i don`t want to change nipples now.
Prob. going to have to find a stifer spring, i tightened up the trap door and still has to hit them twice.
It worked perfect when i put that spring in but maybe it stretched or something.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:16 pm

Ok someone that knows what language these are please tell me what size they are.
I found these stuck away and they fit a little better and go off more reliably, don`t make near the bang though.

Ben_Rumson · Post by **Ben_Rumson** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:31 pm

Those are RWS german made caps 1075 size ... a tad smaller than a number 11 perc cap... High quality and used to be used by many target pistol shooters... They worked good on my TC Runegade and my 1858 Rem repo.. I liked them because they split apart upon firing and didnt get stuck on the nipple... Loads with them chronoed the most consistant.. but always with the lowest velocities...

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:41 pm

Thanks, they work pretty good so i`m thinking Rem no. 10 may work ok too.
I tried three in the house without a hitch so thought i`d give a shoot a try for you guys. Sure enough the first one failed.
Anyway here`s a clumsy attempt at a rapid reload, was fun.

Video, click on picture.

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:47 pm

That is an ingenious little rifle.

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:53 pm

Slick! Looks like you have a new deer gun

20cows · Post by **20cows** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:36 pm

I believe we have a winner!

.45colt · Post by **.45colt** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:13 am

Too Cool Pitchy

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Borregos · Post by **Borregos** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:48 am

Pitchy, that gun fits you just right, wood looks good too

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:34 am

Thanks guys, gotta put some kind of shield around the nipple as it spits caps real bad.
Got a couple ideas, can`t put it on the hammer i don`t think.
I should of built one of my own design i think i could of made something better.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:39 am

Pitchy wrote:Thanks guys, gotta put some kind of shield around the nipple as it spits caps real bad.
Got a couple ideas, can`t put it on the hammer i don`t think.
I should of built one of my own design i think i could of made something better.

This is why you might want to look into musket caps & nipples. Musket Caps don't split like the pistol caps are designed to...

M. M. Wright · Post by **M. M. Wright** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:40 am

Man Pitchy, that really cool!

Can you just bore the end of the hammer to leave a shield around the cap, like most factory hammers for caps?

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:34 am

M. M. Wright wrote:Man Pitchy, that really cool!

Can you just bore the end of the hammer to leave a shield around the cap, like most factory hammers for caps?

No that won`t work no room as the cap sits down inside a hole in the frame.
Fixed it, added a wall around the whole area and extended the safety lever higher.
Looks better imo, beafier.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:58 am

Outstanding

Now, there just happens to be a nice little property going for sale just 70yds from me.

Has out buildings n' everthing a feller could wish. How about it then? You and your lady move over here!

N

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:15 pm

Thanks Nath, i`m afrain the Queen would have me arrested and sent ta a nut house.

Udy · Post by **Udy** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:48 pm

Very cool pitchy!

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:28 am

Thanks Udy, i`m going to do a range report today to see if it will group.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:42 pm

Did a little shooting, shot nine balls at 30 yards but not that great of groupl, 4-5 inch.
Can`t see the sights good at all on this thing so that`s the biggest problem.
Can`t get a picture up because PB is down for maint.
I want to say again that this build is by no means intructions on how to build a gun. welding a barrel up is not the safest thing to do to begin with.
In fact i`m probably only going to shoot shot in it from now on as the pressures are lower.
This gun was built by me for me and should not be copied in any way, it was more of a novelty project on making a odd and unusual designed gun.
Thanks for all the comments about it pards it was interesting and fun.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:02 pm

Pitchy wrote:Thanks Nath, i`m afrain the Queen would have me arrested and sent ta a nut house.

Not caught up wiv' me yet

N.

M. M. Wright · Post by **M. M. Wright** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:07 pm

Wow Pitchy, that piece you added really looks good. You're right, it makes it look beefier.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:47 pm

Thanks, i`m gonna see what the first one will do tomorrow, it should shoot pretty good.

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:49 pm

Looking forward to the report. With your inspiration I have started drawing up plans for my own but it will be a bit before I can get working on it.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:07 pm

Looking forward to seeing it Jeremy

Took it down to WalksWithGun`s house today and shot some. Thing shoots dern good but needs a better hammer trigger gaurd spring.
He shot the same group as this one.

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:37 pm

That will do

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