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Chamber dimensions including chamber mouth, gap between cylinder and forcing cone, bullet diameter all play a part, no two guns are the same. Laws unto themselves. Must admit I prefer the Colts over Ruger and S&W revolvers. Especially the pre war revolvers.

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Having worked with these ciphers before and during the Cold War, the key is the DTG at the end of the messge.(Date time group) That will refer to a page in a cipher manual. Problem is which cipher manual, there were literally thousands of them. Message from XO2 thus somewhere that will relate to the...

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Enjoy your snow and crisp winter nights, downunder we are now in early spring, here in my part of Queensland we went 53f to 92f today Sunday. Good to see the warm sun again. But we do need rain, had nothing in the last four months, forget the snow though!! Its shaping-up for a bad fire season though...

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Gday Kirk, am working on your request, will see what turns-up. Trying to establish what state or territory the gun may be in at present, also if it is still in one piece or destroyed. The last owner will still be on record somewhere. Little confused though, the mod 53 serial data only goes to 15000 ...

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Wow sixgun, that is a beauty of a SAA as to provenance I hope all turns out well.
RL Wilson states that only 154 SAA were made in 44 Russian, so shes a rare beast without doubt.
Flat top targets 51, Bisleys 29 and Bisley targets 64.

You have done extremely well, congrats.

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Out of a lever 38/40 closely followed by 44/40.

Handgun, 357mag out of a Python.
Old west then without doubt my Colt SAA 45 Colt. Crude sights etc but superbly accurate with 250g Westcastings 250g RNFP backed by 7.8g Universal.

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Magnificent. They are still out there. I just gotta find one!!

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Very interesting. Just goes to show revolvers are all individuals. My S&W 686 does not like 38spl cartridges of any loading, shoots them ordinarily to say the least. However throw a 357 ctg loaded with 158g lead projectile backed by 6.0g of Universal and it will shoot so accurately its uncanny. ...

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Lever, my 1903 Win 92 Octagonal barrel full mag in 38/40.

Revolver. without doubt my Colt Python 1973 4 inch. Closely followed by my Colt SAA 3rd gen 2008 build 45 with slicked action.

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Another Aussie from Gympie Queensland. The goldmining town that saved Qld from going bankrupt about 150 years ago.
Our gunlaws are somewhat restrictive, but we can still own and shoot rifles and handguns with appropriate licenses. So its not all bad, yet!!

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No dont own one but would surely love one in that cal 45/75. Brass is available from Bertram in Australia. Loading dies maybe a bit of a search job, but they are about. Reloading, I have some data but it is all for blackpowder loads. Which is what the design calls for. Projectiles are readily availa...

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Lefty - thanks for the information on 5744, interesting indeed. Will try and locate some downunder.

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Gday Kirk, my what a beautiful rifle you have aquired, very envious. Pictures are superb. Surprised that you have moved away from 2400 in your reloading for this rifle. 5744 is unknown in my part of the world, but assume its burn rate would be similar to H4227 or one of those, thus a bit slower than...

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That is one beautiful levergun sir. If she shoots as good as she looks then all will be well. Dont see too many in my location, would love one in 45/70.

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Gday sir,
Might I suggest a book by Mike Venturino titled Shooting Colt single actions in all styles, calibers and generations. Its been a great help to me and he even lists some good smiths to do the kind of work your SA may require. Its a very good read.

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Just superb, thanks for posting the pics.

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My Colt SAA 3rd generation likes the loads below. 260g SWC sized 453 driven by 8.5g Unique - accurate as all hell. 250g RNFP sized 452 driven by 7.8g Universal - again extremely accurate. For a nice light plinking fun load then 200g RNFP sized 452 driven by 6.8g of 231. Winchester brass and Win larg...

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Gday mate, according to my references that revolver came off the line in 1902, serials started at 220000 in that year and ended at approx 238000. Shes a fine old Colt and in one of my favourite chamberings. Check cylinder mouth and bore dimensions for a suitable sized bullet, there can be considerab...

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IMHO in single actions, lead projectiles are king, its what they were designed for. Thats not talking about the Big Rugers and others, just traditional SA revolvers.
My Colts thrive on them.

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Two-bit, you already have my rifle in your survey no.222387 I have yet to get you pictures of the rear sight, flip-up sporting sight that is original to the rifle.

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The 38WCF one of the greats, to shoot and reload. I recently purchased a 92 made in 1903 in this calibre, unmessed with all original excellent bore. Only had the chance to shoot it once so far, but very accurate over the 50 yard target I have shot. You will not regret a lever in this calibre. Pure e...

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I reload for the 32/20 357 38S&W(38-200) 45Colt 44WCF 38WCF and 9mm(para) Could not afford the factory ammo costs that would be involved.

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Congratulations, thats a real nice P.38 that one was made in September 1944. I own two AC43 examples, and both shoot very well for what they are, both keeping inside a 3 inch circle at 15 yards. I use 124g lead roundnose pills backed by 4.8g Unique with ctg OAL 1.110" with a light taper crimp t...

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Those are mighty handsome grips on your piece Ysabel kid. Sets the revolver off nicely.

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Thanks Sixgun, who are they by, and who is the publisher, I will see if I can locate one.

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Thanks your replies, looks like Wilson will be first cab off the rank.

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OK guys its probably been asked before, but what books on the 92 do you guys recommend? I have access to the following at a guns bookshop in Oz. Winchester an American legend by Wilson. Winchester Lever Action repeating Firearms Vols 1,2 and 3 by Pirkle. Covering 1866 through 1895. I would like thes...

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Gday twobit. I have actually bought the rifle, its now in transit to a dealer in my locality, should arrive sometime this week. Then I await the necessary paperwork to be completed before taking ownership. I have not physically sighted the rifle, so cannot tell you more about the sights at this stag...

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Gday, Re what you are asking its a very complicated issue. I have a copy of the 1873 Winchester handbook by Gorge W Stone at a very important crossover period in gunscrews. The standards at that time just being set between USA and Britain. Do you have a copy? If not I would be willing to send you my...

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Some of these guns are now hitting the shelves in Australia, the consummers are not happy, plenty of returns to dealers for basically poor operation, finish, fit etc. The local gun sights have numerous bad reports. They better lift their game very soon otherwise they will not sell down here at all. ...

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Just seen the above for sale, its in very good condition with about 70/75% blue remaining on barrel, action and mag, wear on action turning plum. Its 38/40 cal 24 inch oct barrel with full mag. Bore is excellent, strong rifling no pitting. Action feeds like a knife through butter with dummy rounds. ...

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The major Colt smiths years ago would never put another manufacturers barrel on a Python. Sacrilege. I have a 4 inch Python and it shoots like a dream with its favourite loads. I would do my utmost to get that Python in top line condition again. In the US there still has to be smiths who still know ...

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Not a ham, but was a pro at sea years ago. QRA? QSA? QRK? QTH? morse was my bag in them days. 25/50 WPM was the norm. Tho commercially to most coast stations 25WPM was the norm, unless working the Russian stations, then the sky was sorta the limit, those guys could talk real fast in morse. We used t...

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We have some pretty nasty serpents in this part of the world, some of the most deadly in the world. Most Aussies know that once bitten by the big guns such as the Eastern Brown, Taipan, Tiger and a host of others, you lightly strap a bandage around the wound area but not too tight, do not remove any...

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Does it really matter, it worked,who cares. They got it right, I am sure they were not hanging on the end of a chrono to see if the ballisticians got it right.
Those cartridges performed, end of story. So much BS in the world today.

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The 45 Colt works superbly nothing more needs to be said. BS apart it is a survivor. I love that cartridge in a SAA. Those cartridges from 1873 including the 44WCF and 38WCF are to this day hard to go past. They get the job done no messing. You dont have to hunt around for your brass either. Tried a...

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If it was my old gal, I would not use it, would stick to a 200g lead RNFP backed by a charge of 13 to 13.5g of Alliant 2400 which would closely duplicate the old blackpowder loading in pressure and velocity. Fast smokeless powders I would not recommend in an original. Unique would probably be the fa...

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I can only comment on the 44/40 which I reload for prolifically. She needs a moderate crimp, the brass is pretty thin in the neck region, I prefer the roll crimp you get out of the bullet seating die. Have used the factory crimp die with great success, but it does tend to squeeze the brass a shade t...

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I have heard so many bad reports on their products that I wont even consider them. Rather get an old beat-up Winchester, spend the money on getting it serviceable. It usually dont take too much either after a good strip and clean providing the barrel is in reasonable condition.

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Colt SAA 45 never missed a beat. With my load of 250g RNFP and Universal powder shoots where it looks at 25 yards. If I do my bit properly. Colt Official Police 38-200 with 158g pill at 630FPS not a power house but goes bang every time and shoots to the sights at 15 yards. Its a treasure and a pleas...

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Gday Joe, if its any comfort your not the only one challenged by all this stuff. Had problems at Photobucket myself but slowly worked it all out eventually, although I do still screw up at times, but after much scratching of head and a swig of cold amber fluid, to quote the preacher from the old mov...

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Great RR Kirk and beaut pics as always. Certainly a fine old rifle to treasure. Love that spring green in the trees, we dont get that in this part of Australia when spring comes.

Rgds

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According to Wilson, that old Colt with serial 134000 range was made in 1890. She will have been 7-1/2 originally. It would have been blued with CCH frame. Age and wear could turn the metal to a silvery patina but not like nickel. Original grips would carry a cartouche with inspector initials on the...

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Forget the bullies mate, as Jacko will attest, its the drop bears you gotta watch.!!!

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Personal pref is the straight grip. Sorry to say I have never shot a lever that was not a straight grip. They have never let me down. They just fit me perfectly.
Everything just seems to happen in a fast sequence with sights aligned, I am average height at 6ft and 13/14 inch pull is sweet.

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As per Kirk, I have a great affection for 2400 in the old lever cartridges models 73 and 92. My levers seem to thrive on this powder no matter the cartridge. Thats from 32wcf to 44wcf. My must have powder. At present am load tuning my 92 32wcf with 115g hardcast lead projectile, and 2400 is coming i...

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I dont think I wanna go there. My Uberti 73 in 44-40 is a peach. Shoots great with most loads. 44Mag seems to go against the laws fo physics for this style of action. Even though the links and not the pins take the stress if set-up correctly. How soon would the links stress and deform under these pr...

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The ADI powder you mentioned is known here as AR2205. Hodgdon now sells in the states as H4227, it is not temperature variant and remains totally stable over a whole range of ambient temperatures as does all ADI powders. For the 32/20 start with 10g with a 115g projectile and work up slowly to 13 th...

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Congrats mate, that is one nice 92. Let us know how she shoots.

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Very pleased to hear everything ended up OK with no accidents. My 1873 Uberti in 44WCF is cleaned after every outing, probably a good habit to get into.
The extractor recess is easily cleaned with a bristle brush and solvent. Good shooting and rgds.

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