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What would we categorize the Rossi Model 92 series of leverguns over the past few years? Just asking, for the purposes of this discussion.

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The 94 in my picture is Puzzle Four and was pieced together from parts gathered separately, so there is no brass plated spring cover. I have seen other examples of 94s with this egraved receiver that were factory blued. I've never come across a case hardened one, but that's probably due to limited ...

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I used to have one--a big ol' orange boy I got at the Humane Society Shelter. He was friendly to everyone and everything (except the wild game he'd find out in the Christmas tree farm out back. He'd come to his name when called, and once, when I was coming back from grouse hunting through that tree ...

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Well said. One thing great about being retired is that I don't have to give a darn about being politically correct if I so choose. No more being hamstrung in my thoughts and actions just because the 'boss' or our customers might not like it. If anyone asks for my opinion they know they'll get my op...

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From what I can see, AARP is a moneymaking scam taking advantage of the unsuspecting senior citizens. They make their bucks (and lots of them) from the sale of insurance policies, from what it appears. Take a hard look at their propaganda and you'll see some of those policies that they are pushing a...

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I just got off jury duty. When we prospective jurors were assembled as a group to be panelled, we were briefed by the judge, well before things got started. He specifically stressed, many times during his briefing, that it's the prosecution's job to prove that the defendant is guilty. The defendant,...

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Try cleaning it with Kroil, leaving the bore wet with Kroil for a couple of hours or more before resuming cleaning. That stuff seems to lift a lot of stuff out of a barrel that you think is already clean. A gunsmith told me about this and it seems to work pretty well--although I've never tried it in...

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2571, one quick way to tell that it may be pre-64 from a distance is to look at the lever link. That's the flat piece that the lever comes through on the bottom of the gun. It pivots down with the lever when you work the action. The pre-64's link pivots on a pin that goes through the receiver, and i...

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Model 92's in Australia are hard to find with a good bore and in original unaltered condition.I like both the 25-20 and the 38-40 I would get the rifle that is is the better condition which sounds like the 25-20. You will look at sometimes 50 to a 100 92's before you can find one with an exceptiona...

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Gopt a chance at a Sears & Roebuck 1950's lever rifle in 30-30, made by Winchester. 95% bluing, usual nicks etc in wood from handling and use. I'm interested because it would be pre-1964. How much does the Sears brand markings affect it's price? I assume Sears will be considerably less than one...

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Have an opportunity to pick up a 1915 made 92 in very good condition with excellent bore, half mag, 24 inch octagonal barrel. The cal is 25/20. Rifle is all original no refinish etc. No experience with this cartridge, just wondering what its good for. Or should I wait for the 38/40 which I really w...

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Sixgun and W30wcf, those photos you posted take me back to my boyhood in the 1950's. The two stores in my village both carried ammunition, and one of those stores had been in business since 1905. His shelves were stocked with ammo packaged like the pictures you guys posted. In fact, he had a couple ...

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Savage 99 :wink: 300 Sav. if you reload. 308 Win. if you don't. That's not bad advice. And if you do reload, it's hard to find better bullet than the Remington 150 grain Coreloct. Take it from someone who knows--and once used a Savage 99 in 308, with Hornaday Round nose bullets--they don't open up ...

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I would think that Marlin 336 barrels om 30-30, new, should be pretty easy to come by. Any competent gunsmith could swap your barrel for not too much money. You most likely wouldn't need any other parts. Check Numrich or some of the other suppliers. At one time, Marlin would have done this for you, ...

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I've had an EMF Hartford (Rossi) 44 mag 24" rifle for a few years now, and just this past year got the 16 inch trapper (Braztech made by Rossi). I handload for everything I have, and cast my own for both these rifles. Both had been smoothed up by an old local gunsmith. It turns out that he did ...

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You need to treasure that find, and treat it nicely. Lyman makes a mold for a nice cast bullet (gascheck style) for the 25-20. RCBS makes a nice mold (plain base) for the same caliber, but they call it a cowboy mold and charge a few bucks more for it. A lubed cast bullet is just as effective on game...

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I've used both Williams and Lyman. I prefer the Lyman and have both the old steel and newer Aluminum. They should be tight with no slop, if they are loose or sloppy just write Lyman a letter and send it back. The phone operators are basically worthless. For a gun / cartridge such as the Win 94 in 3...

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When I got my Braztech Rossi around Christmas time last year, I cleaned it easily, with WD40. Never noticed any big quantities of gunk on this gun. I do recommend watching the Nate Kiowa Jones video about smoothing these Rossi's up, though. I didn't before I took mine to an old gunsmith friend of mi...

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I would prefer a steel Lyman they just look right, the Williams look wrong on a classic gun like that. I agree, as long as it's the old Lyman when made out of steel and machined with some precision. The Lyman design looks like it belongs on a 94, takes up less room, and will accept Williams arpertu...

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Nicknack, You and I have to talk. Somehow, somehow......I gotta get your 32-20. :D What I'm not, and that is a thief or a person who takes advantage of a fellow good guy. (But I'll backstab a Liberal every chance I get) I am here to tell you that your octagon stainless steel barrel is extremely rar...

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Newtmaker, I hope none of us said anything to discourage you from casting--least of all me. There are some commercial casters out there that sell bullets with gaschecks on them--I know of one guy in Brattleboro VT that is a Lyman distributor and runs his own casting business. Send me an email an I'l...

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This is like being some sort of poygamist with 24 children--which two to pick! But choices have to be made, I guess. The Winchester 71 for certain. then I'd probably keep a 30-30 in walnut configuration. Ammo in that caliber will always be available--one way or another.

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Nice shooting, Swampman. And I have to agree with C.Cash's assessment.

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If one has a large supply of cast bullets with a flat base and an edge bevel, can gas checks be added? If so, what do you need to add them? Walt Good morning Walt, I once pondered this question myself, and gave it a (brief) try. I ended up with a spoiled gascheck and a bullet with a gouged lower en...

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"Ok" as in "safe" to use GC bullets sans GC, yes. "Ok" as in "accurate", well, maybe not so much. Mike Venturino recently mentioned this very thing and said that he had NEVER gotten acceptable acuracy from a GC bullet without the GC. That's been my experience...

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It isn't plain base but Lee C309-113 enjoys a good reputation as a light weight cast bullet that is very effective on small game. The Cast Boolit boys call it the Lee Soup Can. Yeah, the Soup Can has gotten plenty of praise all right. I've never tried it, but I have tried the Lyman 311008, original...

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Although some folks claim to do ok with leaving the checks off, I never have. I use plain base molds for plinkers and gas check molds when I want to turn up the heat. Same here, Ted. But that having been said, there's not a deer living that I would hesitate to shoot with a plainbase molded bullet, ...

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Is it appropriate to ask for price advice here on a 92 blue rossi, 24" with an octagon barrel? I put a wtb ad for a used rifle on my local gunsite and a nearby ffl has suggested he will sell me one new $466, out the door. If this advice request should not be on this forum, please accept my apo...

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They did have a Centennial "short rifle" didn't they? :?: Yes, but at the time they were calling them "carbines" in their catalogs. Most of the commemoratives of that era came in long and short versions, but not all. I don't recall two versions of the Cody version. The short ver...

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WOW is right! Is that the one some fool told you wasn't worth fifty bucks?

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Rather than adjusting the rifle, try adjusting the OAL of your handloads. I've found that my two LSI Rossis and my friend's Braztech Rossi all feed long loaded 38spl of about 1.500" OAL as slick as snot. In fact, I tried a dummy round with a 158grn Zero JSP loaded backwards with an OAL of 1.51...

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The Rossi 357 that I have kicks about as much as the Daisy Red Rider BB gun that I had when I was a kid. What are you loading in yours that delivers so much recoil that a pad is necessary, anyhow? I have to admit that the Rossi 44 mag rifle that I have kicks more than my Winchester trapper in the sa...

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With your 38spl brass you might want to set the OAL to midway between a 38spl and 357mag to ensure reliable feeding but allow for you different bullet types. I use and recommend an OAL of 1.500" in both my 357mag Rossis and they feed great. In addition, I've found that with the shorter OAL, th...

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Great find!! That's one nice-looking Marlin. It looks like a keeper! I just went down to my loading room to see if my Lyman Reloading Handbook (No. 48) had 38-55 data. I was surprised to find none. If you go on the Cast Boolits website, those guys over there seem to post stuff about the 38-55 every ...

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Having bought a 44 magnum Hartford rifle a few years ago from EMF, and having more recently read positive things about the Rossi carbines in 357, I bought one this past Christmas. This was definitely not of the same quality that earlier Rossi's displayed. First, cartridges were extremely difficult t...

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The model 53 is descended from the venerable Winchester model 1892 which was of course designed for Winchester by John Browning. Fortunately, I believe you can get factory 25 WCF (25-20) for it at a well stocked gun shop. And certainly you'll need a .25 caliber bore brush. Yours looks like it's don...

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No disrespect to previous posters, as I believe what they are saying. But I have put receiver sights, Williams. Lyman, and Redfield, on at least 10 336s and have always, without fail, had ro replace the factory front with a taller sight. Obviously, tou can't count on the original sight working ever...

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Decent looking gun, by the photo. However, that letter that accompanies it raises a lot of questions. Maybe the cylinder and barrel are original, but it seems that at best somebody's replaced some of the parts with modern ones. Also the letter didn't seem to say that the frame was an original. My fi...

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Welcome to the fire.. :D $175.00 sounds good to me but I'm on the other side of the pond, so what do I know? :wink: From your comment, you know quite a bit. One can still roam the back roads here and find an out-of-the way gunshop with a few Marlins (most likely Glenfields or other low-grade but se...

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Keep your eyes open at used gun racks and shows for a now-discontinued EMF Hartford. I'm on the lookout for one of those myself.

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See? With a 35 you really didn't need costly gummytip bullets after all. The Corelocts have been doing just fine for a long time. Now, like Missionary5155 says, you need to try some flatnose cast bullets. For starters, get an RCBS 200gr flatnose Gascheck mold and a pile of old wheelweights. For sure...

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txpete wrote:these work real good also lyman 375449 280 gr my alloy.

Now those are some fine looking boolits. I don't think they'll bounce off any game animals in your neck of the woods either.

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That's a fine-looking Marlin. I wonder how it managed to escape from the factory with a slender forearm instead of the clumsy treetrunks that Marlin usually puts on their leverguns. You'll be happy with this one for sure.

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Newtmaker, I don't know if you've ever tried casting your own projectiles or not, but a good bullet for your new 357 might be the Lee (current version) of their 125 grain roundnose flatpoint. I bought one of these molds a few months ago to try some cast loads in my own Rossi, and found that they con...

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I've installed Williams and Lyman receiver sights on a few Winchesters and Marlins. These days I prefer the Williams Foolproof over the new-style, aluminum Lyman 66. Before doing anything at all with the front sight, why not just install (yourself) the receiver sight, set the thing at the middle of ...

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Looks to me like you made yourself up a good one! A user's rifle. The 35 Remington, in my experience, is a really easy one to work up an accurate load in. My first try loading for this caliber, several years ago, got me groups similar to yours. One thing about the 35 is that once you get an accurate...

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There's been one of those in my cousins' family for generations. I recall one of them hunting with it down on my grandparents' farm. After reading this thread I now wonder how they came by it. That family, though large, was populated by hunters, but they were not particularly gun enthusiasts. I had ...

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Nice looking rifle. I assume you slugged your bore to determine the diameter of the bullet you are using? With cast bullets in these old guns a difference in bullet diameter of as little as .001" can make the difference between a decent group and an outstanding one. Even still, you've probably ...

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...II wouldn't use one of those storebought hardcast bullets though. Something properly fitted to your rifle, cast to shoot accurately with a bit of expansion should work pretty well I would think.... Actually, this bullet is very accurate with my Marlin micro-groove .309 barrel. I plan to show som...

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What Griff said. I've never hunted hogs, but I doubt if they are too tough for a 30-30. A couple of years ago, someone posted on either this website or another, that a 30-30 wasn't powerful enough for the deer in his area. I believe it was California. In the firestorm that followed, lots of folks sc...

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